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You are certrifiable Dougie.

The medallion system is an inherent breach of every vestige of free enterprise and Human Rights.

There is no chance that it could be implemented under current legislation, and there is even less chance that any attempt at reform to allow it would get past omopetition Law and Human Rights.

IU' welcome Taxi Talk writing about it though. because it would sink the rag's credibility to lower than that of the Sun, which sits south of the Beano in terms of credibility :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Have to say, if I see you with a passenger on board I'm goona have to do my public duty and advise them that they are being driven by a mentally unstable nutter.

BTW You're digging a huge hole for yourself here. Watch this space

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So how does this sit with the requirement that licensing is not for profit and fees should only cover the cost of licensing?

LAs don't have the legal authority to raise money from licensing, any form of licensing.

Indeed, some years ago a surplus built up in Edinburgh's taxi licensing which the council repaid to licence holders through a restriction in fees.

Dougie's aspiration of a medallion system is a non-starter.



Well the point is that in essence there's no difference between what Reggie calls a medallion system in the USA and what we call restricted numbers here. A medallion is just the US version of a plate, and if we used the term 'plate system' to describe what happens in cities like Edinburgh and Manchester then that would be cause confusion, because all licensing authorities in the UK use plates.

'Medallion system' is thus just confusing matters, in the same way that 'deregulation' should more accurately be called derestriction or delimitation of taxi numbers, because that's what's normally meant by the term deregulation in the taxi context.

Thus what Reggie more accurately wants is the New York variation on the restricted numbers gig, whereby new issues are sold by the issuing authority at around the market rate.

Of course, the reason Reggie thinks this is a good idea is because he knows such a system in Edinburgh would legitimise restricted numbers, helped along by reference to helping 'community projects', or whatever, and thus set restricted numbers in stone, rather than the creaking edifice that's currently in situ.

By the same token, he knows that CEC wouldn't issue too many plates under such a system, because that would dilute the revenues, so it would be win-win for Reggie - restricted numbers becomes legitimised and set in stone, and the threat of derestriction would recede, plus the council wouldn't issue too many plates, thus incumbent plate holders would suffer only slightly, but even any slight diminution in plate values would be worth it to eliminate the risk of the plug being pulled.

Same with this idea of issuing unlimited plates at the current going rate. Er, wouldn't this mean that no one would want a new plate? #-o

Anyway, this would require a change in the legislation, but to that extent that might thrust a whole can of worms into the public domain, so perhaps Reggie should be careful what he wishes for.

On the other hand, in principle it's perhaps not that far-fetched. For example, a few years ago the Westminster Govt raised billions by selling of restricted access to the 3G spectrum, and selling off taxi plates in a restricted market wouldn't really be a whole lot different.

Pretty unlikely, however, but given the pressures on the public purse that will become increasingly evident in the next few years then who knows what will happen?

Your assessment of my view is spot on the money :D

What i'm looking to achieve is compromise of Edinburgh's current system, there is no going back, CEC have to accept the situation which i believe they do, CEC now have to go to a form of restriction that TIGHTENS THE GRIP as far as restriction of numbers goes, The Medallion system is the answer, a few tweaks here and there and BINGO we have a much clearer system where we operators know the rules of the game, if we buy into it fair enough but if we don't then that's tough, the Medallion system operates much fairer and without discrimination, it works in restricted markets and de-restricted markets.

Infiltrator's, Profiteers and abusers have been RAPING our system for years, the system that allows this must be changed, The Medallion system is the COMPROMISE to achieve change :)


I take it the fact that all of this is completely illegal doesn't come in to your thinking?

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You are certrifiable Dougie.

The medallion system is an inherent breach of every vestige of free enterprise and Human Rights.

There is no chance that it could be implemented under current legislation, and there is even less chance that any attempt at reform to allow it would get past omopetition Law and Human Rights.

IU' welcome Taxi Talk writing about it though. because it would sink the rag's credibility to lower than that of the Sun, which sits south of the Beano in terms of credibility :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Have to say, if I see you with a passenger on board I'm goona have to do my public duty and advise them that they are being driven by a mentally unstable nutter.

BTW You're digging a huge hole for yourself here. Watch this space

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You seem to be worried Jim, what you worried about?

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Woman bids €105,000 for taxi licence



A woman bid €105,000 for a licence to operate a taxi and was one of 20 people who between them paid €1.12 million for new taxi permits granted by Transport Malta yesterday.

The new licences are part of the reform of the taxi sector, which will bring about a total of 50 new licences by 2012. At present, there are 200 licences in Malta and 50 in Gozo.

As the bidding process opened at noon at the recently-bombed Transport Malta’s offices in Sa Maison, only 58 of the 72 who satisfied the set criteria and who had expressed interest actually submitted their bid.

The highest was the woman’s €105,000 bid, followed by one for €80,000. The rest of the licences were awarded for lesser amounts, with the lowest bid being €40,000, double the minimum set by Transport Malta.

The lowest bid had to be drawn by lot because there were five people who offered the same amount for the last licence.

The bids were opened at a public session in the presence of Transport Malta officials, government notaries, the public and the media.

The winning bidders are now expected to apply for the actual registration of the taxi for which the new taxi licence will be issued. This has to be submitted within six months.

A Transport Malta spokesman said the new taxi licences will only be issued to the accepted bidders on condition that the vehicles they present for registration conform to all the conditions set out in the regulations for the registration of new taxis.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/vi ... xi-licence

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Woman bids €105,000 for taxi licence



A woman bid €105,000 for a licence to operate a taxi and was one of 20 people who between them paid €1.12 million for new taxi permits granted by Transport Malta yesterday.

The new licences are part of the reform of the taxi sector, which will bring about a total of 50 new licences by 2012. At present, there are 200 licences in Malta and 50 in Gozo.

As the bidding process opened at noon at the recently-bombed Transport Malta’s offices in Sa Maison, only 58 of the 72 who satisfied the set criteria and who had expressed interest actually submitted their bid.

The highest was the woman’s €105,000 bid, followed by one for €80,000. The rest of the licences were awarded for lesser amounts, with the lowest bid being €40,000, double the minimum set by Transport Malta.

The lowest bid had to be drawn by lot because there were five people who offered the same amount for the last licence.

The bids were opened at a public session in the presence of Transport Malta officials, government notaries, the public and the media.

The winning bidders are now expected to apply for the actual registration of the taxi for which the new taxi licence will be issued. This has to be submitted within six months.

A Transport Malta spokesman said the new taxi licences will only be issued to the accepted bidders on condition that the vehicles they present for registration conform to all the conditions set out in the regulations for the registration of new taxis.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/vi ... xi-licence

COMING SOON TO A LOCAL AUTHORITY NEAR YOU :D

CC i have been informed of what is required to start the process of change

I need the backing of the Edinburgh Trade 8) :wink:

If you are serious about helping then through Taxi Talk i think an unbias opinion of the pro's, cons and precedents of the New York Medallion system would be welcome in crating awareness of the New York system of restriction. :?:

We need the trade reps (City, Central, Comcab and ETA) to back a review of the licensing system and with a view to implementing the New York system in Edinburgh.

If we can stir the debate and get change then that's great but if we stir the debate and fail then i accept that, i will go with the majority of opinion, i'm an individual but to the benefit of the Edinburgh trade i'm willing to work under the current system.

I hope you can help in this one and i will stir up debate amongst members, ranks ect

Thanks again
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COMING SOON TO A LOCAL AUTHORITY NEAR YOU :D

CC i have been informed of what is required to start the process of change

I need the backing of the Edinburgh Trade 8) :wink:

If you are serious about helping then through Taxi Talk i think an unbias opinion of the pro's, cons and precedents of the New York Medallion system would be welcome in crating awareness of the New York system of restriction. :?:

We need the trade reps (City, Central, Comcab and ETA) to back a review of the licensing system and with a view to implementing the New York system in Edinburgh.

If we can stir the debate and get change then that's great but if we stir the debate and fail then i accept that, i will go with the majority of opinion, i'm an individual but to the benefit of the Edinburgh trade i'm willing to work under the current system.

I hope you can help in this one and i will stir up debate amongst members, ranks ect

Thanks again
Dougie[/quote]

I'm working on an article as I type, probably the February issue.

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captain cab wrote:
COMING SOON TO A LOCAL AUTHORITY NEAR YOU :D

CC i have been informed of what is required to start the process of change

I need the backing of the Edinburgh Trade 8) :wink:

If you are serious about helping then through Taxi Talk i think an unbias opinion of the pro's, cons and precedents of the New York Medallion system would be welcome in crating awareness of the New York system of restriction. :?:

We need the trade reps (City, Central, Comcab and ETA) to back a review of the licensing system and with a view to implementing the New York system in Edinburgh.

If we can stir the debate and get change then that's great but if we stir the debate and fail then i accept that, i will go with the majority of opinion, i'm an individual but to the benefit of the Edinburgh trade i'm willing to work under the current system.

I hope you can help in this one and i will stir up debate amongst members, ranks ect

Thanks again
Dougie


I'm working on an article as I type, probably the February issue.

CC[/quote]
Appreciated

Enough time to lobby around :P

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captain cab wrote:
COMING SOON TO A LOCAL AUTHORITY NEAR YOU :D

CC i have been informed of what is required to start the process of change

I need the backing of the Edinburgh Trade 8) :wink:

If you are serious about helping then through Taxi Talk i think an unbias opinion of the pro's, cons and precedents of the New York Medallion system would be welcome in crating awareness of the New York system of restriction. :?:

We need the trade reps (City, Central, Comcab and ETA) to back a review of the licensing system and with a view to implementing the New York system in Edinburgh.

If we can stir the debate and get change then that's great but if we stir the debate and fail then i accept that, i will go with the majority of opinion, i'm an individual but to the benefit of the Edinburgh trade i'm willing to work under the current system.

I hope you can help in this one and i will stir up debate amongst members, ranks ect

Thanks again
Dougie


I'm working on an article as I type, probably the February issue.

CC[/quote]

your credibility, if you ever had any! has just gone down the pan :oops:

imagine stringing wee Dougie along like that. :lol: :lol:


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ALI T wrote:
captain cab wrote:
COMING SOON TO A LOCAL AUTHORITY NEAR YOU :D

CC i have been informed of what is required to start the process of change

I need the backing of the Edinburgh Trade 8) :wink:

If you are serious about helping then through Taxi Talk i think an unbias opinion of the pro's, cons and precedents of the New York Medallion system would be welcome in crating awareness of the New York system of restriction. :?:

We need the trade reps (City, Central, Comcab and ETA) to back a review of the licensing system and with a view to implementing the New York system in Edinburgh.

If we can stir the debate and get change then that's great but if we stir the debate and fail then i accept that, i will go with the majority of opinion, i'm an individual but to the benefit of the Edinburgh trade i'm willing to work under the current system.

I hope you can help in this one and i will stir up debate amongst members, ranks ect

Thanks again
Dougie


I'm working on an article as I type, probably the February issue.

CC


your credibility, if you ever had any! has just gone down the pan :oops:

imagine stringing wee Dougie along like that. :lol: :lol:[/quote]

CC,
could be deristricted by the time you write your article :roll: :roll: :?:

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your credibility, if you ever had any! has just gone down the pan :oops:

imagine stringing wee Dougie along like that. :lol: :lol:


I never claimed anything Mr Turnbull, and I guarantee you an article will be in the February issue.

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captain cab wrote:
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your credibility, if you ever had any! has just gone down the pan :oops:

imagine stringing wee Dougie along like that. :lol: :lol:


I never claimed anything Mr Turnbull, and I guarantee you an article will be in the February issue.

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I'm sure we will all look at it.... rather than read it...........if we can find it in between the advertisements.

and of course theirs the deciphering of your...well! rather strange approach to journalistic penning. :roll:


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of course you can guarantee it.

its not as though their are hordes of word-smiths rushing to write for what is no more than an advertisement flyer , running under the guise of news for a trade that doesn't understand,comprehend nor care....guys like Dougie being your only avid reader kinda says it all really. :wink:


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Reivers were raiders along the Anglo–Scottish border from the late 13th century to the end of the 16th century. Their ranks consisted of both Scottish and English families, and they raided the entire border country without regard to their victims' nationality. Their heyday was perhaps in the last hundred years of their existence, during the Tudor dynasty in England.
strange that a man who pens under the name the reiver,should support regulation.

perhaps he's just a romantic dreamer like dougie...are you wayne.....are you????


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of course you can guarantee it.

its not as though their are hordes of word-smiths rushing to write for what is no more than an advertisement flyer , running under the guise of news for a trade that doesn't understand,comprehend nor care....guys like Dougie being your only avid reader kinda says it all really. :wink:


Good use of the words understanding and caring, I always see a lot of understanding and care in the words written by your good self, Gar and Jim.

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