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I think he's irresponsible.....

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Complete confidence in the fact Survey's of demand will dictate Plate increase's

Any increase's in the number of plates within the New York system will only weaken the PHC trade, Will make City And Central stronger, monies raised could go to taking the cab office to another level, policing illegal pick ups etc, giving us a true reflextion of how many Plates are required, it's called finding the Balance

The council won't want to De-value the price of a plate, they will maintain the value of the plate as this will maintain a steady stream of cash from a transfer tax based on that value This is how the NY system works

Nice to see you are thinking about the idea

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

i don't mind debating anything,even this utter sheeite

but all you ever come back with is more ifs and butt's
its all just fantasy island
every time you say somit i keep hearing tattoo saying Mr. Roarke Mr. Roarke Mr. Roarke,dougie want plate prices increased

tell us how you will accomplish it,and why would anyone want it,and what the difference to the current system is .
because to the untrained eye it looks the same only you pay the council instead of lucky guys like me

c'mon Dougie tell the truth,its ok we all look after whats oors,problem wi this plate thing is that it's not yours never was, never will be,and the council may allow the black market in plates but they will never make it official even if the law allowed them to, which it doesn't btw,but you already know that don't you



your no to bright are you Dougie.

Never said the NY system was MY idea

Through survey's of demand YES the council will get money, YES the system here is the same as the NY but excisting plate holders will have the value in their plate recognised and accepted

The NY system is much fairer than de-restriction based on the current system in Edinburgh

Why should excisting plate holders lose out to what YOU have gained from

To say i could possibily destroy the trade in your previous post is hugley hypocritical as you are the prime example of what is destroying our trade, 3 carpetbagged plates all sold, your actions are what is fuelling other carpetbaggers desire to gain free plates, YOU will be used as an example to why Edinburgh should adopt the NY system, YES You

iF i where you i'd be ashamed to be seen or heard but there is no shame ALI is there, once a carpetbagger alway's a carpetbagger, your game is up, it's over

I don't portray i'm bright but YOU brag about your Carpetbagging, highlighting the problem with abusers of the allocation system, where there is highlighting of a problem there comes a solution to close the loopholes the NY system closes YOUR highlighting

The rest of your post has been adressed, anything more to add to the debate

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

Reggie said

Skull looks like the Itallian Referee COLLINA'S or the guy from the Hills have Eyes horror movie , a real screwball look



Googled the new york medaliion system seems they have similar arguments and problems to here

Would opening up the ipl not solve the bagging prob?

And how many new plates have the surveys seen issued in the last few years? And given the current and future state of the economy, this seems unlikely to change much in the future.




But if you're relying on the surveys then there won't be much money raised and it won't impact much on PH. Which indeed is why the surveys are flawed in the first place.



But if you're relying on the surveys then the council won't have any choice in the matter - the value of the plate will be dictated by the number in issue. If the council prices new issues above that then people will just buy existing plates, if the council prices new issues below the going rate then it's back to profiteering. Thus the council can't dictate the price.

You want few plates issued to maintain values, yet you say the council want a steady income stream from new issues. You can't have it both ways.

But I've got you all worked out now Reggie. You just want the status quo as far as the surveys and issues are concerned, so no change there.

At the same time you want the whole thing set in stone, and this would inflate plate values significantly.

Thus it would be win-win for you, and at the same time you dress the whole thing up as performing some sort of public service.

But make sure you tell Kenny the score, but I'm sure others will do so anyway.

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Caledonian Cabbie

Well it's gratifying to see that you're deluded enough to think so

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Caledonian Cabbie

It doesn't matter who's idea it was. It will never happen.



I bet you believe in santa and the tooth fairy as well



Like a kick in the goolies is fairer than a kick in the mouth.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..............



Because every one of them made their own decision to part with large amounts of cash to own what the law says is council property.
If they never even considered the possibility that they could lose their money, then they are very foolish people. Each of them could have sold out anytime they wanted - and they still can....



YOU are the one who is adding more fuel to the fires of change. If the blaze gets high enough, your council will have no choice but to do something about it.

Now consider this:

If change becomes politically expedient for those on your council, do you think they will wait 5 or 10 years for Holyrood to change the 1982 act or will they take the easy step of simply lifting the self imposed number limit, which they could do any time they please, without going cap in hand to the Scottish Parliament?

Once you've worked that one out, ask yourself: Having just had their fingers burned, how keen would any of them be to put their hand back into the restrictionist fire?



Pot and kettle.
It's Edinburgh's system and ALI is playing the system, same as the rest of you.
He's just showing the whole thing up for the sham it is.
And making a few quid into the bargain.......

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Your right I am happy with the staus quo but as Gusmac say's our current system doesn't work or has he puts it, it's a sham

The system needs to change and i'm saying the NY system is a much fairer system

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

it is a sham.

thing is! it would still be a sham in the highly unlikely event if your system was ever to come to fruition.

anyway now we know eh(not that we were ever in any doubt)that your just a protectionist ersepiece, trying a dodgy salesman tactic on us poor dumb smucks

anyway! not long now Dougie and the beginning of the end begins

so I'm a carpetbagger now

and you want to be one in the future



yer one selfish self centered blinkered halfwit dougie and I've seen my fair share of them in this game believe me! but you take the prize

At last. Dougie finally admits that all he's interested in is protecting his plate value.

Naked self interest. No concern for the fact our trade is going down the toilet, our customers deserting us because they see us as nothing more than greedy cabbies.

No concern that our work is going to PH who are expanding while we're standing still. Or that this ever increasing expansion is giving them the critical mass to dictate our tariff and conditions.

No concern for customers who have to walk becuase they can't hail a cab, or the wee lassies tempted into unlicensed veicles because of this and come to harm.

No concern for drivers who have to work whether the customers are there or not, because the rental has to be paid.

Just a greedy wee Dougie who can't see that his manic stupidity is already harming us all in the trade.

Your status quo, YOU and your ilk Dougie, have already fecked the trade. We've done nothing to cause this.

Unless there's real change, modernisation, there won't be any trade left capable of being rescued. We'll have become bit part players in our own market. A text book lesson in how to give away a market through greed and stupidity.

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"

So it will consolidate the current cartel and enhance the profiteering of incumbent plateholders, while any new plateholders won't be able to benefit in the same way.

Yes, much fairer

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Caledonian Cabbie

Plate value's are currently 35k-40k, so in the past a buyer who bought at 50k has to sell up due to financial problems, is this profiteering

I bought at 17k but havn't sold, have i profited

ALIT has carpetbagged or eh jumped the queue, 3 plates 1,500 quid a piece, sold the 3 of the plates for 120k is this profiteering

I'm really about your definition of profiteering And about your allegation that we are running a cartel, nearly 1,300 individuals but according to you we are running a cartel

The current plate value against the cost of a rental favours investing upfront This is the way the game is, not my idea, i did buy into it though, as do the majority within our trade and hey the mass majority

I think the original plate holders where the profiteers, plate holders today are the guy's playing the game, investing upfront, are you saying we write this investment off Now who is destroying the Trade

As for AliT, Skull and the guy formerly known as Jim Taylor, they are street cars, never worked a radio for years but suddenly they are economist's telling us the trade is fecked, what are you , street or radio- owner or driver You know me, i don't know you

Not that it really matters, as individuals we are insignificant but collectivley our opinion is significant, now i'm in the mass majority who are happy with the way the trade is

If there is to be change, then i favour the NY system as the compromise as the game in Edinburgh is what it is, no going back, no shafting guy's who have invested up front

My way takes out profiteers like ALIT, allows our trade to grow whilst searching for the right balance, Giving the council the chance to take our cab office to the next level so as to aid the reaching of that balance, providing protection for our drivers working nights (btw AliT is scared to work nights) Making our trade more professional all round for driver and customer, but this comes at a cost

So it's New York from ME and hey you know whats coming, it's New York from him

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

Lets not forget that the majority who buy plates for between 35k and 50k at it's peak also invest in new or newish Taxi's, pay radio dues and permits, so if you have any knowledge of being an owner that the cost's of owning are pretty much the same as renting

Profiteering my a-s

Buying a plate, Taxi and probably 3 new ones in say a 25 year period justify's selling your right to use (plate) the same as leasing a pub for up to 25 years, you also have the right to sell the lease of a pub, with service behind them do you really grudge the investors a return upon retirement Do you really think it's profiteering, keep in mind ALIT when comparing profiteers, 3 plate's 4,500 quid sold for 120k

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!