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Clearly some have profiteered more than others - if someone buys at £20k and sells at £30k then that's still profiteering - and the recession has decreased plate values, so there's a chance some could sell at a loss.

However, these exceptions don't detract much from the general undesirability of the whole thing.

And if you think profiteering is undesribable, then for the vast majority of plate holders a NY-style system would just increase it, end of.

Which is why you want it, end of

The whole thing was just pandering to self-interest in the first place, and your proposal would just consolidate this, which is why the chances of it happening are remote.

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Caledonian Cabbie

The simple solution to profiteering would be to ban the sale of a plate, period. No transfers to other names only other vehicles that the current license holder may purchase to up date his/her previous vehicle. It's not rocket science really is it This of course doesn't ressolve the restrict or derestrict problem

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The council's position is that plates have "no intrinsic value".

Of course you ned some degree of wit to understand this.

Sadly Dougie is deficient in this regard.

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Er, well it is actually Toots, since you've just described the Scottish system, but clearly you haven't been paying attention.

And you also haven't been paying attention as regards the deviousness of the likes of CEC in getting round the legislation. And Reggie denies it's a cartel

Second problem is that, even assuming councils adhered to the legislation, owners would just sit on their backsides and profiteer by renting.

For example, say Reggie is 50, he could perhaps profiteer for another 30, 40 or even 50 years without actually driving.

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Caledonian Cabbie

You might as well argue that someone buying a series of private cars over the years deserves some kind of excess profit for their troubles. Problem is that the real world doesn't work like that. They get what the car's worth on the open market, end of.

By the way Reggie, it's bad enough when you quote several hundred of other people's words to add a mere handful, but even worse when it's yourself you're quoting

On some forums the post would be deleted for that, and the member even banned if they're a serial offender

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I am paying attention. I know it's illegal to sell plates but they sell the vehicle with the plate being transferred to the new owner of the vehicle, yeah? I was more commenting about people that obtain a plate and then sell it almost straight away when referring to profiteering and not making a profit on a long term investment

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thats not what happens toots

the cgsa forbids the transfer of the license

the council allow the license to be held in the name of a non natural person(IE a ltd company)

the council then in effect issue a new license in the name of that company.

the seller then drops off the company as a director leaving the buyer as a director ,and hey presto the plate is in effect sold.

the council rubber stamp the black racketeering in public licenses.

And this is in effect why this issue provokes so much debate.
In England and Wales, the selling of a licence is permitted by the relevant legislation.
In Scotland it is not.

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Well that's what generally happens both north and south of the border. The vehicle and plate is sold, but only a pedant would deny the latter, because it's not literally correct, but everyone knows precisely what it means.




Which totally contradicts what you said earlier.

And I can't really fathom the difference between short-term and long-term profiteering in the way you allude to it.

Someone who got a free plate twenty years ago and who has been sitting on thier backside for all that time milking drivers and then sells at £50k would just be profiting from a long-term investment by your book?

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[edited by admin] it!, I'm on a roll now. (The Bells is kickin' in). What's really getting to me, (please refer to the previous brackets), is Gary & Jim.
I know it was kinda' daft to mention "The Whitehoose", (the first bracketed line would also explain this). But, to get invited to somewhere called the "Beanscene" for a "Latte" ( remember, I'm the guy fae' the Whitehoose). "THE BEANSCENE !!, for" LATTE !!", and then Jim invites me me to meet with him,( S.U.D. POST), at "THE PINK TRIANGLE !!"
FFS!. Erm.... communication on the Forum is just fine by me lads,

You cannot pressume that they have been sat on their backside they may well have worked the vehicle on a shift basis. You could be right some may have not worked the vehicle but they will have invested in the vehicles purchase, maintenance etc. My objection is to those that say it's wrong but do it anyway, double standards, then say they're doing it to prove a point I have no objection to people making a profit as such that's why we're ALL in business. If the plate cannot be transferred then it doesn't matter if the vehicle is sold because the plate would just go back to whence it came unless it is put onto a newer vehicle for the person already holding the license. By my book you wouldn't be able to sell the plate period

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I didn't presume anything, just an example



Yes, that's why the pubic pay fares to taxi drivers, they use that to pay maintenance etc, then they make a profit with what's left over.

Don't try to dress up profiteering on plates with anything else.



Like you mean as per the Scottish legislation

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Caledonian Cabbie

So first you're defending plate sales by those who don't drive, then you're condemning plate sales, period?

Make up your mind!!

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