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What happens if that job goes out of the area then back into the area where the cab is licensed??

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Punters can always ring round for a price from hackney and/or private hire after finding out the mileage for the A-B of the trip


I know that PH do charge in some rural areas to get to a customer as well as the cost of the job. At the end of the day the council must realise that taxi drivers are there to earn a living they are not a charity service and they are not subsidised like the bus service. I also think that if drivers didn't cover the work the public would do the complaining for them. Having said that PH in the area may well take the work from them and legally charge the dead mileage. It's a difficult position to be in I guess


Don't forget Toots a Hack inside its area must use the meter from A to B then they can discount if they wish, and a punter can use any cab from a rank and can negotiate a price before they get in but the meter must be on


You pointed this out to me because :?
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Have you pointed this out to your council??? but I think they mean for runs outside your area


Skippy, we have been reporting the none use of the meter by one firm in particular for years. It was the council that pointed out that the meter does not have to be used. This company charges "fixed fares" and claims that all fares are below the metered rate. However we have a new enforcement officer and she has been in one of their taxis and was allegedly charged more than the fare would have been had the meter been used. The driver is under investigation at the moment.
Our area is mainly a rural area and we have the same problem with pricing for village to village jobs and most of the companys and drivers charge the full rate from base to pick up and then on to destination even if they are using a hackney carriage. In fact for night time work I think our company is the only one in the borough at the moment that have any private hire cars available to do the village work correctly.

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How many other rural areas does this happen in on a daily basis?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
How many other rural areas does this happen in on a daily basis?


Is that a rhetorical question or do you want some actual figures?
I would think it happens in a lot of areas.

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How many other rural areas does this happen in on a daily basis?

Is that a rhetorical question or do you want some actual figures?
I would think it happens in a lot of areas.

Loads!!!

But if they got their fare structures correct, it might not be such a big problem.

Suggestion;

£2.80 Flag Drop
20p for each 110 yards or part thereof until 880 yards has been travelled.
Thereafter; 20p for each 146.67 yards or part thereof.

Job done, or at least can run on meter legally on all jobs.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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How many other rural areas does this happen in on a daily basis?

Is that a rhetorical question or do you want some actual figures?
I would think it happens in a lot of areas.

Loads!!!

But if they got their fare structures correct, it might not be such a big problem.

Suggestion;

£2.80 Flag Drop
20p for each 110 yards or part thereof until 880 yards has been travelled.
Thereafter; 20p for each 146.67 yards or part thereof.

Job done, or at least can run on meter legally on all jobs.


Can a meter be programmed to accept that sort of information? Would this make a job of 2 miles, that you have travelled 6 miles to do, viable? Or are you sugesting that the meter is started from the base?
The easy answer is to provide a private hire car for such journeys.

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grandad wrote:
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How many other rural areas does this happen in on a daily basis?

Is that a rhetorical question or do you want some actual figures?
I would think it happens in a lot of areas.

Loads!!!

But if they got their fare structures correct, it might not be such a big problem.

Suggestion;

£2.80 Flag Drop
20p for each 110 yards or part thereof until 880 yards has been travelled.
Thereafter; 20p for each 146.67 yards or part thereof.

Job done, or at least can run on meter legally on all jobs.

Can a meter be programmed to accept that sort of information? Would this make a job of 2 miles, that you have travelled 6 miles to do, viable? Or are you sugesting that the meter is started from the base?
The easy answer is to provide a private hire car for such journeys.

No problem with programming the meter in such a way; Brum has a similar tariff, but nowhere near as harsh.

Yes, start the meter at pick-up point.

Why send a PH if a HC can do the job at a profit.

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Is the car/cab booked from when you take the booking, or for when the customer gets in the car/cab?

Is there any reason why the meter can't be put on whilst the car/cab is going to the booking?

Someone point me out a law/rule that says you can't.

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So based on the figure quoted, how much would a 2 mile journey cost? You don't say how far you can get for the flag fall.

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Assuming that you get 1/2 miles for the initial flag fall, I make it that a 2 mile journey will cost £6.80 Now if you have 6 dead miles going out and 8 dead miles coming back you will have driven 16 miles for your £6.80. Now how is that profitable?

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There is no legal reason why a booking charge can't be added to the tariff.

Say £5 for pick ups more than 2/3 miles from base.

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grandad wrote:
Assuming that you get 1/2 miles for the initial flag fall, I make it that a 2 mile journey will cost £6.80 Now if you have 6 dead miles going out and 8 dead miles coming back you will have driven 16 miles for your £6.80. Now how is that profitable?


dunno, but when they (HC) go all sanctimonious over PH being non-compliant with ALL the rules shouldnt they take a look at themselves?

can you pick and choose which regs to observe and which not to?
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There is no legal reason why a booking charge can't be added to the tariff.

Say £5 for pick ups more than 2/3 miles from base.


2/3 of mile from here is a field - in any direction
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Sussex wrote:
There is no legal reason why a booking charge can't be added to the tariff.

Say £5 for pick ups more than 2/3 miles from base.


From our councils drivers handbook.
7. Hackney carriages summoned by telephone or radio may not make booking charges and may not make other "unoccupied running" charges. The hireing does not commence until the passenger enters the vehicle.

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