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Mini adventure: how far can an electric car go?

14 January 2011 Last updated at 12:17

The BBC's Brian Milligan has driven an electric Mini from London to Scotland, using only public charge points. Here is his diary of that journey.

DAY FOUR
Miles achieved: 484
Miles to go: 0


It took 4 days, some serious thermal underwear, and copious amounts of waiting.

But my electric car and I finally made it to Edinburgh.

There were plenty of nervous moments, and a rather low-key entry to the Scottish capital.

After all, I was driving at 30mph and was shivering with cold.

On the last leg I'd got suddenly over-confident, and had a serious dose of range anxiety.

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It has been a slow journey but Brian and the mini finally made it to Edinburgh

At one point my range indicator showed 48 miles charge left on my battery, with 50 miles still to go.

Hence the slow speed, and the lack of heater.

6 mph average

Including the time spent both charging and driving, I managed an average speed between London and Edinburgh of just 6mph.

Not exactly impressive, or very practical, but then I'm sure Stevenson's Rocket didn't go very fast the first time he tried it.

And there certainly was a moment when I didn't think I'd make it at all.

I'd got to Wark, close to Kielder Forest in Northumberland, at what I thought was the last outpost of electric charging points in England.

From here it is 87.1 miles to Edinburgh.

The publican of the Battlesteads hotel, Richard Slade, didn't think I'd make it.

"You're going to have difficulty at the end," he said gloomily.

In summer, it would have been perfectly possible, as warmer temperatures take the range of the electric Mini up to 100 miles.

But in the cooler winter climate, I'd been managing between 70 and 80 miles.

At this moment I heard that the UK's most recent charging post had just been installed at a garden centre at Berwick on Tweed.

Last week in fact.

A quick look at the map, and we calculated it was about 70 miles away, just within range, and perfectly positioned for the last leg to Edinburgh.

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The drive across Northumberland, through the towns of Bellingham and Rothbury, is surely one of the most spectacular, and under-rated, in England.

We hurried over misty moorland, and through sunlit villages like Eldon, its streets and corners still heaped up with snow.

And soon there it was, at the Berwick Garden Centre: the last post in England; my mini and I the first customers.

Without this, the drive to Edinburgh would not be possible.

With it, the electric car can claim to be something which so far it hasn't been: a vehicle for travelling long-distance, as well as to the supermarket and back.

My point is that if anyone is prepared to spend £23,000 or so on an electric car, they surely don't want to have to buy a petrol one as well, just so they can drive out of town at week-ends.

Sweet Combination

This journey has been laborious, impractical and time-consuming.

But from here on out, the technology will improve rapidly.

We are in a golden age, where manufacturers are pouring millions of pounds into research, while governments across the world are prepared to subsidise both the cars and the charging posts.

That is a sweet combination.

By the end of next year, the UK will have 4,000 charging posts across the country.

Your car's sat nav will guide you straight to them, so there'll be no time wasted while you hunt for them.

When you plug in, your car will get an 80% charge in just 20 minutes.

Meanwhile fuel prices continue to rise.

The economics of electric motoring, and the practicalities, are constantly changing.

But from where I've been sitting for the last four days, there's only one way those economics are headed.

And now I'm heading home too - on the train this time.


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Source; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12138420

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If this had been a cab hiring, the cabbie would have been done for prolonging the journey & probably for manslaughter too, by way of inducing the passengers with hypothermia!!

Electric taxi?

10 to 15 years on this evidence!!!

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Well, the end of fuel-powered cabs as they are now is nigh, but what comes next? (Even man-steered cabs may be obsolete someday, for Google announced there will be computer-steered cars possible within the next 8 years.) Anyway, while there´s already a fleet of subsidised hybrid-cabs in Zurich, (I drove one, boy, what a race-car!) Porsche is going to use the hybrid as standard drive soon. Yet, all the while they are testing on synthetic fuel made only out of sun-light, extremly focused by lenses, carbondioxide and water - which can be burned without any exhausts but steam. While in Tokio they are planning on introducing a fleet of electric cabs, where the battery is not recharged, but simply exchanged against an already charged one, which makes the whole procedure as quick as a petrol refill.
:? So, what´s it gonna be?

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Does anyone on here run on lpg ?


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I used to when LPG was 45-50p a litre. It was a good experience and I tried to get another car that was suitable for conversion.

Unfortunately, the engines that are suitable normally come in a fairly basic car and, given that I spend upwards of 10 hours a day living in the car, I like a few bells and whistles.

As LPG is now 89p a litre round here, I think I was lucky not to find a suitable car!!


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Glad i didnt buy 1!

plus the duty relief will come off in 2014?

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Given the current price, I think some duty relief may have already come off.


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2007 Fuel Tax Figures
2007 fuel duty (as of 1 October 2007) in the United Kingdom was:
•50.35 pence per litre for ultra-low sulphur unleaded petrol/diesel
•53.65 pence per litre for conventional unleaded petrol
•56.94 pence per litre for conventional diesel
•30.35 pence per litre for bio-diesel and bio ethanol - low tax to encourage consumer conversion
•16.49 pence per kg for gas other than natural gas (LPG)
•13.70 pence per kg for natural gas used as road fuel.
•9.69 pence per litre for rebated gas oil (red diesel)
•9.29 pence per litre for rebated fuel oil


As of 1 October 2007 effective rates of duty for non-road fuels increased by 2 ppl. These rates are set to be increased by the same percentage as the main road fuels on 1 April 2008 and again on 1 April 2009.

From 1 October 2007 duty rates for unleaded petrol, leaded petrol, aviation gasoline and other heavy oil used as road fuel were increased by the same percentage as the main road fuels.

2009 Fuel Tax Figures
2009 fuel duty (as of 1 September 2009) in the United Kingdom is:
•56.19 pence per litre for main road fuels, unleaded petrol and diesel
•65.91 pence per litre for leaded petrol
•36.19 pence per litre for biodiesel and bioethanol
•22.16 pence per kg for road fuel natural gas
•27.67 pence per kg for road fuel liquefied petroleum gas ('LPG')



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On 1 September 2009 the excise duty rate for road fuel natural gas was increased to 22.16p per kg to maintain the differential with main road fuels in pence per litre equivalents. The excise duty rate for road fuel liquefied petroleum gas ("LPG") was increased to 27.67p per kg to reduce the differential with main road fuels by the equivalent to 1p on a litre of petrol. These rates will be increased further on 1 October 2010 by 1.44p and 2.86p per kg respectively to maintain their differential with main road fuels. From 2011 to 2014, the duty differential for road fuel natural gas will be maintained and that for LPG will be reduced by the equivalent of 1p on a litre of petrol each year

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http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php ... 8&start=30


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i heard some folk had thier houses heated by LPG and filled thier cars of it too! fiddling swines!

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Probably more difficult to detect than red diesel!!


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So what are the ques going to be like at the charging points?? If you've got millions of electric cars wanting a 2 hour charge there's going to be a long wait.

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cabbyman wrote:
Probably more difficult to detect than red diesel!!


Ive never heard of anyone being caught using heating LPG to power thier car, and i know the hoses and connectors are readily available......

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
If this had been a cab hiring, the cabbie would have been done for prolonging the journey & probably for manslaughter too, by way of inducing the passengers with hypothermia!!

Electric taxi?

10 to 15 years on this evidence!!!


Think what a mobile phone looked like 15 years ago.

Look at them, or should I say the lack of them now.

It'll come. It had better do at £1.35 a litre.


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it wont come yet


it would have been here already if those with a vested interest in IC/piston engines had decided it was a good idea 40 years ago

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