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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:56 pm 
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Are you sure about that cos I think Tesco and the like restrict the number of vacancies to only what's needed to do the job. They certainly don't have lots sitting around just in case a pallet load comes in that needs uplifting to shelves.


So which council limits the number of taxi driver vacancies?

The answer is 'none'.

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Are you sure about that cos I think Tesco and the like restrict the number of vacancies to only what's needed to do the job. They certainly don't have lots sitting around just in case a pallet load comes in that needs uplifting to shelves.


So which council limits the number of taxi driver vacancies?

The answer is 'none'.


Never said they did did I? I was merely expressing that Sussex comment is not necessarily accurate

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Never said they did did I? I was merely expressing that Sussex comment is not necessarily accurate


But your allusion was obvious; you didn't have to actually say it :-$

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Never said they did did I? I was merely expressing that Sussex comment is not necessarily accurate


But your allusion was obvious; you didn't have to actually say it :-$


It was a sarcastic remark not an allusion. May I suggest you don't try to guess what a female is alluding to it may get you into trouble one day

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It was a sarcastic remark not an allusion. May I suggest you don't try to guess what a female is alluding to it may get you into trouble one day


Well I'm certainly wary about that sort of thing face-to-face, Toots, but I feel safe enough anonymously over the internet :D

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It was a sarcastic remark not an allusion. May I suggest you don't try to guess what a female is alluding to it may get you into trouble one day


Well I'm certainly wary about that sort of thing face-to-face, Toots, but I feel safe enough anonymously over the internet :D


Typical :lol: :wink:

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it's my experience that not only are there the 1000 drivers but there are more drivers that will come into the market that would not have done prior to derestriction and the 12 hours become more hours to make ends meet


Inadvertantly, you have hit the nail on the head.

It's not too many cabs..................It's too many drivers.

Cab owners, particularaly those who make a business of renting cabs to drivers, don't want to tackle this because they need plenty of drivers to keep the cabs working and their plate values and rentals up.

Restricting the number of cabs forces drivers to work uneconomic hours and stay home during busy ones. Result is overflowing ranks most of the time and a shortage of cabs at peak times.

Unrestricted, drivers can run their own cabs and work the hours they choose.
More will work when their is work and stay home when there isn't.
Renters will have less competition for shifts and this will reduce rental prices.

Poor or non existent Driver controls result in an over supply of cabs in unrestricted areas as more enter the trade.
This is even more so at the moment as the economomy is in crisis, people loose their jobs and many think driving a cab is the solution.
Everyone has to work longer for less money.

Restrict the number of cabs and do nothing about drivers entering the trade, rentals go up and some drivers can't find shifts at an affordable rate.
Drivers choose PH as a viable alternative. PH grows unchecked since their numbers can't be limited.
The PH trade then eats into the cab trade's work base. To build their work they will discount, taking even more work away from the cab trade.
Both will need to work more for less.

Restricted or not restricted, makes no difference to the work load.
It's still the same size pot.
You have to reduce the number of people eating from the pot, not the number of spoons they use.

Slow the numbers of new drivers until their numbers outstrip those leaving.
Then you will see an improvement. Nothing else will work.

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it's my experience that not only are there the 1000 drivers but there are more drivers that will come into the market that would not have done prior to derestriction and the 12 hours become more hours to make ends meet


Inadvertantly, you have hit the nail on the head.

It's not too many cabs..................It's too many drivers.

Cab owners, particularaly those who make a business of renting cabs to drivers, don't want to tackle this because they need plenty of drivers to keep the cabs working and their plate values and rentals up.

Restricting the number of cabs forces drivers to work uneconomic hours and stay home during busy ones. Result is overflowing ranks most of the time and a shortage of cabs at peak times.

Unrestricted, drivers can run their own cabs and work the hours they choose.
More will work when their is work and stay home when there isn't.
Renters will have less competition for shifts and this will reduce rental prices.

Poor or non existent Driver controls result in an over supply of cabs in unrestricted areas as more enter the trade.
This is even more so at the moment as the economomy is in crisis, people loose their jobs and many think driving a cab is the solution.
Everyone has to work longer for less money.

Restrict the number of cabs and do nothing about drivers entering the trade, rentals go up and some drivers can't find shifts at an affordable rate.
Drivers choose PH as a viable alternative. PH grows unchecked since their numbers can't be limited.
The PH trade then eats into the cab trade's work base. To build their work they will discount, taking even more work away from the cab trade.
Both will need to work more for less.

Restricted or not restricted, makes no difference to the work load.
It's still the same size pot.
You have to reduce the number of people eating from the pot, not the number of spoons they use.

Slow the numbers of new drivers until their numbers outstrip those leaving.
Then you will see an improvement. Nothing else will work.


Utter tosh.

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Utter tosh.

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Which bit?
Care to point out why or is that beneath you?

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is that beneath you?


:wink:

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Utter tosh.

CC


Which bit?
Care to point out why or is that beneath you?

nope just beyond his ability :D

either that or simply not in his nor his members interest to explain :wink:


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The work load out there has gone down taxis are ranking at times they never used to so to lift or not put a cap on right now would be stupid

Whatever the work load is it wont be effected by delimitation.

If you have 500 cabs with 1000 drivers working 12 hours shifts, what changes when you have 1000 cabs and 1000 drivers still working 12 hour shifts?


Too simplistic.

What changes is the income of those who work 12 hour shifts and rent their cab out for the other 12. They need to work a longer shift to replace lost rental income. This then reduces the earnings rate per hour so everyone ends up working longer for less money. It becomes a vicious downward spiral of longer hours for less income.

The only people who benefit are those who sell, maintain and insure taxis. Instead of rental money staying within the trade, it goes to those third parties.

It's really simple but obviously logic is not the strong point for those on here who are he'll-bent on derestriction, whatever the cost.


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chipper wrote:
The work load out there has gone down taxis are ranking at times they never used to so to lift or not put a cap on right now would be stupid

Whatever the work load is it wont be effected by delimitation.

If you have 500 cabs with 1000 drivers working 12 hours shifts, what changes when you have 1000 cabs and 1000 drivers still working 12 hour shifts?


Too simplistic.

What changes is the income of those who work 12 hour shifts and rent their cab out for the other 12. They need to work a longer shift to replace lost rental income. This then reduces the earnings rate per hour so everyone ends up working longer for less money. It becomes a vicious downward spiral of longer hours for less income.

The only people who benefit are those who sell, maintain and insure taxis. Instead of rental money staying within the trade, it goes to those third parties.

It's really simple but obviously logic is not the strong point for those on here who are he'll-bent on derestriction, whatever the cost.


I don't know why people think that when derestricted the only drivers interested in getting their own vehicle are those currently renting, thus believing that the amount of actual drivers doesn't increase. When an area is derestricted you have the guys renting who will get their own vehicles and you will also get the guys that are currently PH that have always wanted their own taxi also getting a vehicle. Whilst this has a good effect in the short term for the PH driver eventually the operator will replace the drivers that have left. Unless an area has a very busy taxi trade all that happens is drivers work longer hours to make ends meet.

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chipper wrote:
The work load out there has gone down taxis are ranking at times they never used to so to lift or not put a cap on right now would be stupid

Whatever the work load is it wont be effected by delimitation.

If you have 500 cabs with 1000 drivers working 12 hours shifts, what changes when you have 1000 cabs and 1000 drivers still working 12 hour shifts?

Too simplistic.

What changes is the income of those who work 12 hour shifts and rent their cab out for the other 12. They need to work a longer shift to replace lost rental income. This then reduces the earnings rate per hour so everyone ends up working longer for less money. It becomes a vicious downward spiral of longer hours for less income.

The only people who benefit are those who sell, maintain and insure taxis. Instead of rental money staying within the trade, it goes to those third parties.

It's really simple but obviously logic is not the strong point for those on here who are he'll-bent on derestriction, whatever the cost.

I don't know why people think that when derestricted the only drivers interested in getting their own vehicle are those currently renting, thus believing that the amount of actual drivers doesn't increase. When an area is derestricted you have the guys renting who will get their own vehicles and you will also get the guys that are currently PH that have always wanted their own taxi also getting a vehicle. Whilst this has a good effect in the short term for the PH driver eventually the operator will replace the drivers that have left. Unless an area has a very busy taxi trade all that happens is drivers work longer hours to make ends meet.

Sometimes Ms Toots, I get the feeling that you have missed your vocation in life!!!

You should have been a teacher; you have clearly described what happens when a LA de-limits.

But alas those you try to teacher are not for learning; another case of, 'you can take a horse to water but you can't make it driink!'

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