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Are you saying that Tone has been given innacurate information by DCC?

When was the last surveyed number of 507? according to one of Tone's earlier posts, that was 2003 wasn't it?
At that time there were few if any WAVs.
Prior to 2003, all licenses were saloon and numbers were restricted, weren't they?

On these figures and going by your own take on the Equality act, a limit won't be possible until either 65 additional WAVs are put on or 65 saloon plates are returned to the council.

I wouldn't want to second guess the government but I don't accept your logic re 50 percent.
Personally I expect a figure somewhere between 50% and 75% but time will tell.

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Another thought:

If accessability for the ambulant disabled is a reason to retain saloon taxis, won't it also be incombant upon councils such as Edinburgh and Glasgow to make these available as well?

Further, there is a world of difference between what a disabled person needs and what they would like. The vast majority of ambulant disabled people can use a WAV, they just prefer a saloon.

The ones who can't use current WAVs probably can't use many of the saloons licensed either.
For example, my WAV is a VW Sharan. Any disabled person who can't get into it, would find getting into a saloon licensed Sharan/Galaxy/Alhambra even harder, since mine has side steps fitted, the saloon licensed versions do not.
They would find some of the other vehicles licenced as saloons here even harder - 7/8 seat minibuses, MPVs, 4x4s etc.

Some types would clearly not be suitable for the ambulant disabled and others could be made more accessible to such persons by the addition of grab handles, retractable steps and swivel/slide out seats.
Perhaps what is required is not a saloon car but a separate class of accessible taxi

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I think your right, surly they would have to take any new survey that is done into account when looking at what percentage is needed, As the numbers would drop over the years .I reckon any survey done now would show that the last figure is even to high.

The last survey carried out by Halcrow Fox came back with this figure and also stated in the survey the number could be as less as 487 but would have to wait until this figure had been reached before it could decide whether this was a true figure or it should be less. Since the last survey the population has dropped by 20,000, many large businesses have closed and the private hire has increased by 160, until a further survey is carried out we can only base our percentages on 507.

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

Are you seriously telling us that DCC don' have an accurate figure of how many taxis they licence or how many of them are saloon or WAV?

ACC have no such problems and can give an accurate, up to date figure for WAVs, saloons and PH as well as drivers, simply by consulting their computer, where a record is kept of every licence granted/renewed and what type vehicle it is for.
The answer has nothing to do with population, employment stats, when the last SUD was done or whether it's raining.


So how did they manage to come up with a figure of 603?
Why does the number of saloons + WAVs add up to 603?

If any of these figures were estimates, shouldn't that have been stated in the reply given to Tone?

BTW, the Scottish government have figures for last year in every council area:
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications ... 7120002/20

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wide open to any challenge should they re-cap

So you're saying the survey was carried out years ago?

So it's totally irrelevant.

But let's say a survey was done tomorrow and for the reasons you state it said 400 was the 'correct' number of taxis, then how would that be relevant if you currently have 600 or so?

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You either don't read the threads pertaining to this subject, OR, you are too thick to intake the facts

FACT 1. The number of Public hire taxis in Dundee as on the 18th February 2011 was 603
FACT 2. Of that figure WAV 269
FACT 3. number of private hire 171
FACT 4. How does a L.A. define the number of public hire licenses required, they instruct a survey, how do the surveyors define the required number, they do a formula pertaining to the head of population, employment, length of time customers waiting for a taxi, length of time taxi waits for a customer, these figure are then surveyed over a period of time and then the formula of the figures are crunched, the outcome is the required number of licensees needed to supply the city with it service CAPICHE.

THE ONLY FIGURE THAT HAS ANY BEARING ON NUMBERS UNTIL A SURVEY IS COMPLETED IS
507 NO OTHER FIGURE CAN BE USED UNTIL A NEW ONE IS SURVEYED!

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

I am lead to believe these figures came through an FOI so there isn't any guess work regards numbers

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

The percentage of WAV's will be based on the number required not the number of licenses in existence

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So what's the source for this or is it just wishful thinking?

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How old is this survey, precisely?

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You are the one with the understanding problem O&O, not me.
Perhaps you should review what you have read because you've missed the basic point. Or Maybe your just to thick to take this in.

A cap is a decision taken by an LA and a survey is the evidence required to justify it. No evidence, no cap.

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed but irrelevant in this context.



Here's where you just don't get it.

All of this is required to refuse licences based on no SUD.
Fact The percentage of WAVs must be at least the amount announced by the goverment, before a licence for a WAV can be refused on grounds of no SUD.
If the percentage of WAVs is too low, licences for WAVs can't be refused, regardless of any cap policy
What they do is a little sum based on the actual figures they have. The ones you listed as facts 1 & 2.
No survey is required for this.
A survey only comes into play if they have at least the government defined percentage of WAVs.

Now, do you CAPICHE?

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Circa 2000

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Gasmac.. you have me intrigued ... in English law it says nothing about having to do a survey.... are you saying that in Scottish law it does....

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