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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:41 am 
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My god, you are as delusional as Col Gaddafi,

Someone complains about garys behaviour and you think it all about restricted numbers, you are in a fantasy world.

Next you will be saying "Osama bin laden is giving your children alcohol and drugs and telling them to complain about my friend gary, All taxi drivers love me. do not believe the lies, everyone supports gary."


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Frank Lay wrote:
There SHOULD be a line that should not be crossed when it comes to the actions of taxi drivers, both verbal and physical, and if it is crossed then action NEEDS to be taken.


I quite agree but that action needs to be fair and transparent.
As I said already, it's not about the man - it's about a system which allows his rights to be sidelined.

Whatever Skull may or may not have done in the past was dealt with back then.
If councillors considered he was fit and proper at that time, after hearing the case against him , its no reason to hang him out now on the uncorroborated word of a single individual or a cop with an axe to grind.

BTW, considering everything Skull has said about the RC, how on earth could they possibly be impartial?
You may as well let CC hear the case instead :lol: :lol:

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He has been given the benefit of the doubt in the past, no doubt the council now think that was a mistake.

A committee would be right to take past incidents into account , just as a criminal court would take into account previous convictions prior to sentencing.

I say again, if he was not being treated in a fair manner then he would not be driving a taxi today.

gary and jimmy think they are accountable to no-one and can say and do whatever they want, this is wrong.

There is nothing here that is different from any other job, When I drove buses you could be hauled in to answer a complaint from someone. If your explaination was not up to it then the complainants word would be taken and you would be warned or indeed sacked.
And just as in any other job, if you slag off the boss or regulatory committee first, then you have done yourself no favours. You would have simply been stupid.


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The public have a right to expect taxi drivers behave in a certain manner.


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If these two where not hell bent in ruining the trade there might be an issue to be discussed or even some sympathy for Gary, i am sure if he has done nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about.But because of Gary and jims rantings and abuse of officials if he has verbally or physically abused a member of the public and this has happned before they will not miss him. :shock:


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Frank Lay wrote:
The public have a right to expect taxi drivers behave in a certain manner.


Do Taxi Drivers not have a right to expect the Public to behave in a certain manner?


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gusmac wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
There SHOULD be a line that should not be crossed when it comes to the actions of taxi drivers, both verbal and physical, and if it is crossed then action NEEDS to be taken.


I quite agree but that action needs to be fair and transparent.
As I said already, it's not about the man - it's about a system which allows his rights to be sidelined.

Whatever Skull may or may not have done in the past was dealt with back then.
If councillors considered he was fit and proper at that time, after hearing the case against him , its no reason to hang him out now on the uncorroborated word of a single individual or a cop with an axe to grind.

BTW, considering everything Skull has said about the RC, how on earth could they possibly be impartial?
You may as well let CC hear the case instead :lol: :lol:



Totally Agree!!!!!! Well said


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gusmac wrote:
Are you really this thick? FFS

No, I don't think he's Joan of Arc, nor do I think CEC are the master race.
But just where did the master race get started CC?
Half a dozen lunatics in a Munich bar, plotting and scheming against those they didn't like, to further their own ambition.

Death camps, genocide and wars of extermination were the end result of doing nothing. The thick end of the wedge.
What was the thin end CC? Where did it all start?
A few untruths about why a war was lost?
A few boot-boys painting slogans and smashing windows?
People turning a blind eye because they thought the target deserved it?

Cu*t or not, if we allow this to happen without protest, we deserve no better when it's our turn.
Or perhaps you think rights should only be afforded to the "right" people?
Who decides who is worthy? You?

If you allow peoples' rights to be trampled, because you don't like them or don't think it can happen to you or yours, you are a fool.

It's not about the person - it's the system.
If he's a cu*t, the system should be able to deal with him in a fair and just manner, respecting his rights in the process.
The same way as it deals with everyone and in the way we would expect to be dealt with ourselves.

Anything else is unacceptable in a supposedly democratic society.


That's a really nice response, with lots of words, but I think your are as delusional as the other two who seem to think there's a conspiracy behind every nook and cranny of Edinburgh's council chambers.

I dont think Scotland has section 52, that's not the issue.

Gary has been called in by the council to answer a complaint.

He hasn't had his license touched yet and even if they do revoke it, I presume he has a right of appeal to a higher court?

Massive conspiracy? More like a guy bricking it.

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Frank Lay wrote:
He has been given the benefit of the doubt in the past, no doubt the council now think that was a mistake.

Taking the uncorroberated word of one person would be another mistake. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Frank Lay wrote:
A committee would be right to take past incidents into account , just as a criminal court would take into account previous convictions prior to sentencing.

A criminal court wouldn't be told of a previous conviction until after a verdict had been arrived at by an impartial jury. Only then, if the verdict is guilty, would past history be considered.
It's called a fair trial.

Frank Lay wrote:
There is nothing here that is different from any other job, When I drove buses you could be hauled in to answer a complaint from someone. If your explaination was not up to it then the complainants word would be taken and you would be warned or indeed sacked.


If an employer acted this way, they would be answerable to an employment tribunal.
The council do not employ taxi drivers, do they?

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gusmac wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
He has been given the benefit of the doubt in the past, no doubt the council now think that was a mistake.

Taking the uncorroberated word of one person would be another mistake. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Frank Lay wrote:
A committee would be right to take past incidents into account , just as a criminal court would take into account previous convictions prior to sentencing.

A criminal court wouldn't be told of a previous conviction until after a verdict had been arrived at by an impartial jury. Only then, if the verdict is guilty, would past history be considered.
It's called a fair trial.

Frank Lay wrote:
There is nothing here that is different from any other job, When I drove buses you could be hauled in to answer a complaint from someone. If your explaination was not up to it then the complainants word would be taken and you would be warned or indeed sacked.


If an employer acted this way, they would be answerable to an employment tribunal.
The council do not employ taxi drivers, do they?


Are drivers in Scotland subject to the Criminal burden of proof or Civil burden?

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Evidence in Scots Law

In Scots law the burden of proof and standard of proof in civil and criminal cases are different. The Burden of proof is the person who must lead evidence and must prove the point they make. In criminal cases lies with the prosecutor, and in civil cases, lies with the pursuer. The standard of proof is the extent to which you must prove your case. The two types of standard of proof are;

Beyond Reasonable Doubt and Balance of Probabilities.

In criminal cases, the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt, and in civil cases is balance of probabilites.

http://en.jurispedia.org/index.php/Lega ... _(Scotland)

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captain cab wrote:
Evidence in Scots Law

In Scots law the burden of proof and standard of proof in civil and criminal cases are different. The Burden of proof is the person who must lead evidence and must prove the point they make. In criminal cases lies with the prosecutor, and in civil cases, lies with the pursuer. The standard of proof is the extent to which you must prove your case. The two types of standard of proof are;

Beyond Reasonable Doubt and Balance of Probabilities.

In criminal cases, the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt, and in civil cases is balance of probabilites.

http://en.jurispedia.org/index.php/Lega ... _(Scotland)


No mention of whether the accused is a cu*t then?
How dissapointing for you.

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captain cab wrote:

Are drivers in Scotland subject to the Criminal burden of proof or Civil burden?

CC


Civil proof, as you well know. :roll:
I was answering a point made by Frank Lay, who mentioned criminal proceedings :

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just as a criminal court would take into account previous convictions prior to sentencing.


BTW, do the new jackboots fit?

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No mention of whether the accused is a cu*t then?
How dissapointing for you.


That fact was established long ago.

So tell me, if I'm wrong here, I think drivers are judged upon the civil burden of proof, which as the article above describes as the Balance of Probabilities.

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captain cab wrote:
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No mention of whether the accused is a cu*t then?
How dissapointing for you.


That fact was established long ago.

So tell me, if I'm wrong here, I think drivers are judged upon the civil burden of proof, which as the article above describes as the Balance of Probabilities.

CC


Didn't I just answer that? Do try to keep up.

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