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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:38 pm 
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Brian Roland, general secretary of the National Private Hire Association, claimed the council was pushing through the deregulation and zoning changes as a knee-jerk response to guidelines from the Office of Fair Trading and a government view that current regulations reduced the availability of cabs and restricted those wanting to set up taxi businesses.
"They failed as an authority to give sufficient consideration to taxis and private hire when putting together their five-year transport strategy plan. "It is now being pushed through without considering the consequences on the ground," said Mr Roland.

I just can't work out why a Bury based PH organisation would be so anti OFT. :-k

http://www.oft.gov.uk/News/Press+releas ... +01-01.htm

I just can't fathom it out. :roll: :roll:

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
If so then who would be involved in consultation, I don't think that individual drivers could be ?

Customers, remember them? #-o

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 3:39 pm 
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So lets get this right,

The National Taxi Association
The National Private Hire Association
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The TGWU

all are against derestriction.

People state that no-one with a vested interest should be consulted, is that right?
No, that is incorrect.

While I cannot state the policy of the T&G or the NPHA, the policy of the NTA is outlined in the press release recently issued.

It states locals are best to decide and also states that undersupply is as bad as oversupply. This is in support of the DFT guidelines issued to local authorities.

Consultation should be between all key stakeholders in a local area, these include those with an alleged vested interest.

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It's possible that the only objectors to restrictions could be on here, as administrators or prominent posters, making assumptions that they have support, when in fact the true support lies with the major groups and what they are calling for.
I have no objection to limitation of hackney carriage numbers upon justification through the necessary consultation, indeed, I think that all local authorities should regularly justify their transport policies, be they limited or delimited, as in this way the profession is able to adapt to the needs of the customer.

I do have reservations about the motives of the gentleman in question, for the same reasons as yourself, it is interesting to note that it has not actually been confirmed as to what his qualifications actually are, indeed if he has actually owned or driven either a PHV or HC.

Further to this, you have assumed that I disagree with the person in question and therefore don't empathise with the drivers of East Riding, where I have merely raised my concern at the person involved.

There is a level of inconsistency that I am unfortunately not at liberty to advise you of, however I am certain if you contact the NTA, they will tell you of developments elsewhere in the country, which shoots holes through the statement made.

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captain cab wrote:
It states locals are best to decide and also states that undersupply is as bad as oversupply. This is in support of the DFT guidelines issued to local authorities.


So what, in your opinion would the NTA think of the situation in Gateshead say, where the last unmet demand survey was conducted 7 years ago, found NO unmet demand. Yet without any further survey the council have licensed a further 200 vehicles, would you say, in your opinion, that the NTA would consider that to be over supply and, if in a position to do so, seek the council to suspend issuing further licenses and hold a unmet demand survey to prove over supply and then re-restrict.

Again a blanket approach is taken by the PH representatives on here, without consideration for local circumstances, provision or demand.

and apparently that fair.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
So what, in your opinion would the NTA think of the situation in Gateshead say, where the last unmet demand survey was conducted 7 years ago, found NO unmet demand. Yet without any further survey the council have licensed a further 200 vehicles.

I will leave others to give the NTA view, but surely the T&G view is that these things are best dealt with locally. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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GA,

I think everyone here has to admire the determination you have to bring the Gateshead factor into every thread. :wink:

I'll give my opinion on a Gateshead thread if thats okay.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Again a blanket approach is taken by the PH representatives on here, without consideration for local circumstances, provision or demand. and apparently that fair.

The whole point of the article was that Mr Roland has stuck his hooter in and said that it's not fair that all licensed taxis in the same district are treated the same. Nothing to do with PH at all.

He wants a different tier of cab driver in the same manor. I can't believe that anyone supports that. :sad:

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The whole point of the article was that Mr Roland has stuck his hooter in and said that it's not fair that all licensed taxis in the same district are treated the same. Nothing to do with PH at all.

He wants a different tier of cab driver in the same manor. I can't believe that anyone supports that.


hehe that wasnt my point, but Im happy to accept it. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:39 pm 
"delt with locally" doesn't mean decisions made solely by the council without consultation from local representatives Sussex.

What I object to is your opinion that some goon from Sussex or Manchester say, should have an input into what happens in say, Gateshead. While at the same time objecting to someone adding wieght agaist their argument on the grounds that he has no experience in the trade in that area.

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I think the point here was no experience full stop GA, I'd rather you defended them, at least we know what side your on.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
What I object to is your opinion that some goon from Sussex or Manchester say, should have an input into what happens in say, Gateshead.

What input could I have on Gateshead, other than my posts on here? :?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:46 pm 
Sussex wrote:
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Again a blanket approach is taken by the PH representatives on here, without consideration for local circumstances, provision or demand. and apparently that fair.

The whole point of the article was that Mr Roland has stuck his hooter in and said that it's not fair that all licensed taxis in the same district are treated the same. Nothing to do with PH at all.


Look Mr Roland has as much right to comment on any particular area as anyone else, the thing is when he speaks or makes statements he does so as the Chair of the NPHA.

I have no experience of zoning so would not comment on the rights and wrongs of it, your requesting Mr Rolands credentials hows about offing yours when it comes to zonal licensing Sussex.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:48 pm 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
What I object to is your opinion that some goon from Sussex or Manchester say, should have an input into what happens in say, Gateshead.

What input could I have on Gateshead, other than my posts on here? :?


Who said that you could :roll: :roll:


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Gateshead Angel wrote:
I have no experience of zoning so would not comment on the rights and wrongs of it, your requesting Mr Rolands credentials hows about offing yours when it comes to zonal licensing Sussex.

Thankfully PH cannot be zoned, yet another restriction we don't need to serve our customers.

Still if you wish to support in-equality amongst cab drivers, as well as PH drivers, then so be it. [-(

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:19 pm 
Possibly, in fact more than likely your correct Sussex, but without fully knowing and understanding the area we are not in a position to offer any more than suggestions as our opinions cannot be justified.

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