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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:40 pm 
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Tristar (based in West Drayton, near Heathrow) seems to manage, they have employed and self-employed drivers, although the self-employed drivers still have to drive their cars, and I assume they also have to work fixed hours - in which case they should then be employed.

As mentioned somewhere else in the forum, being self-employed means just that, you should be able to work who you want and and when you want.

I didn't realise some councils only let you work for one firm at a time, and you had to hand in a badge/license to the operator you work for.


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Why are taxi drivers being paid less than the national minimum wage?


Why are taxi drivers under valued and paid less than the national minimum wage?


Why do taxi drivers accept being under valued and paid less than the national minimum wage but continue to do the job?

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It's so much that times are hard at the moment for taxi and ph drivers that irks me it's the fact that companies continue to take on drivers even though there isn't enough work, for most of the time, for the current driver stock that they have that annoys me

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A letter received on the very subject

As you may already be aware, under the current devolution settlement responsibility for matters relating to employment, including the minimum wage working time regulations and individual employment rights,is reserved to the UK government
Therefore the Scottish Government cannot legislate on these matters.

Taxi drivers are generally classed as being self-employed and the minimum wage and certain other individual employment rights may not apply in such circumstances.
There however, be circumstances in which a taxi/PH driver is engaged on an employed basis
Advice on self employed assessment can be found on the HM revenue& customs website via the following link
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm
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He,s no gonnae answer his phone :sad: maybe he read the comments and is having second thoughts :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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If you count all the taxi and PH drivers in the whole of the UK I would guess around 250,000, how much could the government save in working tax credits if they all received the min wage

250,000 is only a guess at the actual figure, if some one knows the actual amount please feel free to post it

•£5.93 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
Rates from 1 October 2011
The NMW rates are reviewed each year by the Low Pay Commission and from 1 October 2011:

•the main rate for workers aged 21 and over will increase to £6.08


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skippy41 wrote:
•the main rate for workers aged 21 and over will increase to £6.08

I worked out a few years ago that, based on a 40 hour week, it costed me £7.50 per hour in fuel and rent alone just to have the cab on the road. Since then costs have increased, I'll have to do a re-calculation to work out what it is now.

With the proposed new minimum wage that means I will have to take an average of £13.58 per hour on the meter (for a 40 hour week) just to make minimum wage. Of course if I do an 80 hour week I only need to do £6.79 - thats easy enough !!!

Wonder if they need anyone to sweep the floors in McDonalds ?


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sasha wrote:
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•the main rate for workers aged 21 and over will increase to £6.08

I worked out a few years ago that, based on a 40 hour week, it costed me £7.50 per hour in fuel and rent alone just to have the cab on the road. Since then costs have increased, I'll have to do a re-calculation to work out what it is now.

With the proposed new minimum wage that means I will have to take an average of £13.58 per hour on the meter (for a 40 hour week) just to make minimum wage. Of course if I do an 80 hour week I only need to do £6.79 - thats easy enough !!!

Wonder if they need anyone to sweep the floors in McDonalds ?


Better still..a Job at the BBC..tree huggers only please!


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If you count all the taxi and PH drivers in the whole of the UK I would guess around 250,000, how much could the government save in working tax credits if they all received the min wage


Doesn't make sense :?
Is it not people who are mostly on the minimun wage who qualify for working tax credits along with the low paid self employed :?: So how would the government save money :?:

And why would you want to cap a Taxi/Phc drivers pay when one of the things about driving Taxi's is the good day's :?:

I don't think there is a place for the minimum wage in our trade as i feel it opens the door to corporate profiteers and at the individuals expense, could you imagine doing a 2 hour round trip to st andrews and only earning £12 whilst your booking office earns £120 :shock:

Anyone who advocates that one should seek medical attention :lol: :lol:

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With the proposed new minimum wage that means I will have to take an average of £13.58 per hour on the meter (for a 40 hour week) just to make minimum wage. Of course if I do an 80 hour week I only need to do £6.79


That is not correct. 40 hours at £13.58 is £543.20 so if you take out the minimum wage at £6.08 which is £243.20, you are paying £300 for the fuel and rent.
So using these figures, if you do 80 hours, which is £486.4 at the minimum wage and then add the £300 for fuel and rent. It means that you will need to take £786.40 to make the minimum wage which divided by the 80 hours works out at taking £9.83 per hour. :mrgreen: This assumes that you are not using any more fuel during the 80 hours.

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Private Reggie wrote:
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If you count all the taxi and PH drivers in the whole of the UK I would guess around 250,000, how much could the government save in working tax credits if they all received the min wage


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Doesn't make sense :?
Is it not people who are mostly on the minimun wage who qualify for working tax credits along with the low paid self employed :?: So how would the government save money :?:
And why would you want to cap a Taxi/Phc drivers pay when one of the things about driving Taxi's is the good day's :?:

I don't think there is a place for the minimum wage in our trade as i feel it opens the door to corporate profiteers and at the individuals expense, could you imagine doing a 2 hour round trip to st andrews and only earning £12 whilst your booking office earns £120 :shock:

Anyone who advocates that one should seek medical attention :lol: :lol:


Yes it makes sense, all those earning well below the min wage are being paid more WTC just to make up the shortfall,
There are drivers in the Borders who are earning around £150 per week for around 60 hours when for those hours they should be earning £356
So that's £200 per week short, that the government have to give them to make it up and then some depending on the family circumstances


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What many people out there fail to realise is the running costs associated with a rented Taxi. Take into account the rental on a vehicle of £270 round here then,add your fuel which cant top £100+ a week you've got nearly £400 a week runnings costs which you've got to take before you earn anything for yourself.

Friday night when I was out working I took £75 for a 12 hour shift, take out my running costs like fuel etc and I came out with £32 for a shift.

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Midlander wrote:
Take into account the rental on a vehicle of £270 round here


I can't understand anyone renting a car for £270 per week when you can buy a brand new car and the HP would be about £270 per month!

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Midlander wrote:
What many people out there fail to realise is the running costs associated with a rented Taxi. Take into account the rental on a vehicle of £270 round here then,add your fuel which cant top £100+ a week you've got nearly £400 a week runnings costs which you've got to take before you earn anything for yourself.

As in my previous post that means for a 40 hour week you need to be taking an AVERAGE of around £15 on the meter, I'm lucky if I hit that on a Sat night never mind midweek.

It's also what the public don't realise when they see the fare on the meter that a large percentage goes on running costs. And that when sitting idle it's still costing money, if I don't do a job for an hour its cost me £7.50, so for the second hour I need to take £27 to make the average up.


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me been under paid for long time now, not even a day off.
the question why the CEC still permit PHC licenses? and how those doing that sh***y work afford to have a living. seen far too many new PH cars around.

the council should consider stop issuing PH plates. if its that good i will consider swap sorry i mean downgrade.

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