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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:02 am 
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I guess it depends how the taxi got the fare. If pre booked, as you well know, not guilty of anything
He is not booked.


You are breaking the conditions of your local authorities licence by plying for hire out with your licensed area, there has been plenty of cases where by operators doing just the above have been charged in Liverpool.


An English Hackney Carriage and it's driver are governed by statute law and bye-laws.
Conditions are for PH only.

I agree with Brummie, Mr T wouldn't be asking without a reason.

There is a reason for the question..... we all know that it is illegal for private hire vehicle to pick up off the road..1976 Act.... which nowadays means that drivers are being prosecuted and have points fixed to their licence... but the same Act does not apply to Hackney's imo ... now years ago if a Sefton hackney was prosecuted in Liverpool it would be for breaking a bylaw... which would be a fine..... now they seem to think a hackney driver should also have points on his licence.... I am wandering which act or law covers this...


Whilst the bylaw hasn't changed is it possible for them to change the punishment? I'm inclined to agree with gusmac on this in so far as the points may be added because of the insurance (or lack of) but then again nowadays if you don't have insurance (which this implies) they take the vehicle and crush it :?
Some people need to read up on touting law... being parked up in a side street with your light on is not touting, it's just showing your for hire.... which is what a hackney is Licence to do.... to tout you have to approach and ask do they want a taxi....
Hackney's are insured to pick up off the road... end of.... the insurance covers you for anywhere in the country.... it does not stipulate only in your licensed area.... if it did you would never be able to do a Return booking..... so at all times a hackney is insured.... the only offence the driver is committing..... is breaking a bylaw..... which only carries a penalty of a fine.ps.. having your light on does not necessarily mean you're for hire. it means your advertising that you're a taxi

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question... if a hackney picks up a fare in another district..... legally what is he guilty of.

Depends on who approached who :?:

In most cases i'm sure it would be the punter who would hail the driver therefore the driver would be within his right to explain the situation but offer his phone number/booking office so as to legally pick up the hailing punter.

He would though be guilty of plying for hire outwith his legal conditions and breaching his terms of insurance.

Guilty!!! i say Guilty :wink:
why would he be breaching the terms of his insurance

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Some people need to read up on touting law... being parked up in a side street with your light on is not touting, it's just showing your for hire.... which is what a hackney is Licence to do.... to tout you have to approach and ask do they want a taxi....

Showing you are for hire whilst not parked up on a rank is what 'touting' is.

The circumstances of the offence are mitigation/aggravating features, not a defence.

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The 2 main places where taxis "rank" at night in our town are not designated taxi ranks at all. In fact they are both on double yellow lines. We have a sort of gentlemans agreement with both the council and the police to "rank" in these 2 areas. It works very well because the customers have taxis where they want them and the enforcement officer knows where to find us if needed.

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Sitting with your light on is NOT touting end of.I could be somewhere waiting for a customer thats what a hackney does,we dont need to be out of sight of anyone.Just for the hell of it we can legally tout here its called taxi sharing :wink:


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Sitting with your light on is NOT touting end of.I could be somewhere waiting for a customer thats what a hackney does,we dont need to be out of sight of anyone.

Well tell that to the courts, as the sentencing guidelines differ to your view.

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Sitting with your light on is NOT touting end of.I could be somewhere waiting for a customer thats what a hackney does,we dont need to be out of sight of anyone.Just for the hell of it we can legally tout here its called taxi sharing :wink:

Why does the LA provide ranks if hacks could park anywhere they like ? Plying for hire anywhere other than on a rank is illegal, END OF.

Just because you are ignorant of the law, or think that the rules don't apply to you doesn't make it legal. Why don't you contact your LO and ask them if it's ok for you to park wherever you like and wait for fares, or ask your fellow cabbies why they all bother sitting on ranks doing nothing when they could go and wait somewhere more profitable ?


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I think generally Council funded Taxi ranks are the places people expect to find a Taxi, and its here you are more likely to find a job. But there are still areas unofficial ranks are formed, like outside nightclubs at 2am and Burger/Kebab outlets after...these are encouraged by police to disperse crowds...how on earth can they be illegal?


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Think your taking it out of context ,i could be sitting outside my house with my light on and get a job ? I could be dropping kids of at school and get a job .Or i could be sat wherever i like legally of course and get a job FACT.. Because all these things happen on a regular basis. I think youll find sitting in the wrong place waiting for a job the worst im going to get is a not proceding.Touting dont think so, if there approaching me.As far as illegal ranks go there everywhere,prefer to sit on my own especially at nights as i dont do outside nightclubs legal or not..


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"Why does the LA provide ranks if hacks could park anywhere they like ? Plying for hire anywhere other than on a rank is illegal, END OF."

So if i drive up and down the prom here its illegal,You should get a job in enforcement mate youll have a field day :lol: Been doing it for 25 years mate and never had a problem,maybe you should brush up on what hackneys do for a living :wink:


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blackpool wrote:
"Why does the LA provide ranks if hacks could park anywhere they like ? Plying for hire anywhere other than on a rank is illegal, END OF."

So if i drive up and down the prom here its illegal,You should get a job in enforcement mate youll have a field day :lol: Been doing it for 25 years mate and never had a problem,maybe you should brush up on what hackneys do for a living :wink:


Try reading it again. He said "park anywhere". Driving up and down is perfectly OK.

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"Why does the LA provide ranks if hacks could park anywhere they like ? Plying for hire anywhere other than on a rank is illegal, END OF."

You read it again and i think youll read "plying for hire anywhere other than a rank is illegal,END OF" Sorry to correct you : :wink:


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For a driver of a licensed hackney carriage standing in a street to
refuse to, without reasonable excuse, to drive to any place within the
prescribed distance....TPCA 1847..S53...
SECTION 53.

PENALTY ON DRIVER FOR REFUSING TO DRIVE.

A driver of a Hackney Carriage standing at any of the stands for Hackney Carriages
appointed by the District Council, or in any street, who refuses or neglects, without
reasonable excuse, to drive such carriage to any place within the prescribed distance,
or the distance to be appointed by any bye law of the District Council, not exceeding
the prescribed distance, to which he is directed to drive by the person hiring or
wishing to hire such carriage, shall for every offence be liable to a penalty.

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Sussex wrote:
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Sitting with your light on is NOT touting end of.I could be somewhere waiting for a customer thats what a hackney does,we dont need to be out of sight of anyone.

Well tell that to the courts, as the sentencing guidelines differ to your view.
you're getting mixed up between hackney and private hire again

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A hackney can only legally ply for hire on a rank. They cannot sit anywhere they please with their light on, that is illegal and of course they can legally be hailed whilst on the move. Just be glad you're not private hire, we're supposed to sit out of sight of the public, htf we do that is beyond me :lol:

Outer Mongolia, North Alaska, The Falkland Islands, Siberia, . . . etc., etc., the list is endless.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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