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MR T
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Skull.. oh what a fantasy world you live in.. should I be drawn into your madness... I think not.... next you'll be telling us how you were peacefully living in your log cabin. when one day you were captured, and taken in chains to become a driver of a taxi and forced to do so again your will, you read too many fantasy books. :shock: get on with your life.... and stop dwelling on the fact that you have just wasted the last 20 years of it.. it just wasn't meant to be... you are not a leader of men... you're not somebody then inspires confidence.... or trust..... you were given a free licence.... and lost it... need more be said. :mrgreen:


Trevor, I have witnessed it time and time again. Some feckwit puts himself forward and once elected, can't do enough to represent his own interests, and you and Wayne (Uncle Tom) Casey are no different. For some people, it starts with blowing about their new found, position of importance, to their wives. Then it's the extra cash and not driving a taxi. Soon it becomes about being recognised as a man of status and influence within their own minds. Sit these ers*holes in front of a bunch of councillors, and they are wan*ing all over themselves. Any possibility of proper representation goes right out the window.

You are slightly different in that respect. I think you fell into it through being a mechanic but the result is the same. I've even had the misfortune of being on holiday and having to listen to an er*e from West Lothian giving it large about being a “businessman” taxi driver. This was before West Lothian pulled the plug.

How is it, that with all this representation over the last twenty years things have only gotten worse in every respect? It's no accident that almost everyone making money out of the taxi trade doesn't drive a taxi.

Dignity, worth, rights, professionalism and Toots, and Dougie Smith, and Swannee you just couldn't make it up.

You are a parasite Trevor, and you prey on the stupidity of others. I take my hat off to you. You and these ers*holes were made for one another.




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Skull.. don't you ever get sick of making a fool out of yourself... I have never said that I don't represent my own interests... only you say that... but often my interests and the interests of the drivers around me are the same ... and when this occurs I have their support.... and as usual without any knowledge at all about what I may or may not have been involved in.... you rattles on.... it is just this type of stupidity that takes the trade backwards.... you are convinced that I have a need to have a position of status and importance....ha ha ha.. how wrong you are... that means nothing to me.. the same as your rantings.....but... you're quite right... there are many people that should never represent the trade...... and right at the top... is you.... :wink:


So if driver interests conflict with you and your chums on the council there arse out the window, of course, unless your “interests and the interests of the drivers around me are the same “.

Well, that's very honest of you, Trevor, is it the same for Wayne (Uncle Tom) Casey of the NTA?

Oh and as for the trade going backwards, you've only to look at the Neanderthals driving taxis that believe in the likes of you and Wayne, to know, that its never gone forward.


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I can only make this comparison........ year after year people from all over the country ring Wayne for Help and advice which he gives ....... and then compare him with yourself which people ignore...... I think it would be fair to say that the vast majority of taxi drivers have the ability to think for themselves and make their own choices..... if that in your opinion makes them Neanderthals what does it make you.


It's a nice wee story for when one is on the golf course with councillors, in the pub with chums, or with the wife and kids on a day out, a quiet night in front of the fire perhaps but not with me, Trevor.

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I suppose.... you'll just have to make do with hiding behind your keyboard :wink:

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I never hide Trevor, it's just not in my nature. :wink:
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If it's any conciliation Trevor, I don't think you are a bad lad. I just think at some point you must have bought into your own bull*hit. :-|
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Unfortunately, Nemesis, the system serves the councillors and the Uncle Toms. The herd only gets the scraps and slapped down when they step out of line.


I find myself in full agreement with your sentiments here (only that paragraph mind).

But it will never be resolved to the trades favour by louder than life individuals spouting venom at anything within range.

It will only ever be resolved by respected leaders who, you may or may not agree all they say; but its the best we can ever hope for, and that unity of purpose that must be on display for all to see if we all as individuals are to get the justice we so desperately deserve.

Quite how a formidable body of like minded free thinking individuals can be divided with such ease by our regulators is beyond ...perhaps its the free thinking that gets in the way? But of one thing I am sure, if anyone gives up their free time and a fair chunk of their life for the good of this trade then,uncle toms included they have got my vote every time!!!

If there is a triage of psychology being perpetrated here in a rather clumsy mind science I suspect next; Sustainability?
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If nothing else this thread has set me thinking why are we such easy marks to set against each other. Apart from the obvious personality conflicts that can probably be traced back to minor indiscretions on the rank, and of course the trades favourite to select a target for character assassination to keep the heat off them...but these are all traits found in any society, perhaps more so in the Taxi trade because there is so much down time that the devil finds work for idle hands. Possibly truer for someone retired with old scores to settle?

There is also the differing ways of work that once synchronised in harmony but now in times of blight its a case of grab whatever you can and blow what's around the next corner. In true neolithic style the boundaries of territory have to ingress to a neighbour...its the human survival gene working overtime and easy meat for exploitation by the powers that be for manipulation while they hold the trump cards in legislation.

Most blame can be put to the doorstep of Council Officers, in their own crazy quests for power feel the God factor when dealing with a trade that can be held under the thumb by conditions that sail so close to the wind of legality they keep the legal profession in roubles indefinitely-if the trade can afford to defend. Council Officers always intent to dismiss numerical Taxi limitation to maintain the licence fee coffers that fund their departments.

But all this can be circumvented by playing them at their own game..lobbying government opinion and councillor view to fight back from the top down rather than the bottom up...I could go on all night about this, but just suffice to say the NTA are gaining strong ground and respect in government circles in Taxi matters as I hope all other orgs are, if also locally drivers could agree topics and take these individually to their ward councillors and show the human side of the Taxi trade, after all- these councillors are also only human and normally rely on LO opinion for all their information, if they get a whiff there is other opinion, without the slants- from a significant block vote they be there quicker than Jack flash with tongues hanging out. But it needs to be planned, and implemented as thoroughly as any military campaign to target limited resources effectively, that every Councillor has at least one driver educating him about the other side of the Taxi trade never mentioned by Licensing officers. Like I said, from the top down, and not the bottom up despite richly deserving in some cases.
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If nothing else this thread has set me thinking why are we such easy marks to set against each other. Apart from the obvious personality conflicts that can probably be traced back to minor indiscretions on the rank, and of course the trades favourite to select a target for character assassination to keep the heat off them...but these are all traits found in any society, perhaps more so in the Taxi trade because there is so much down time that the devil finds work for idle hands. Possibly truer for someone retired with old scores to settle?

There is also the differing ways of work that once synchronised in harmony but now in times of blight its a case of grab whatever you can and blow what's around the next corner. In true neolithic style the boundaries of territory have to ingress to a neighbour...its the human survival gene working overtime and easy meat for exploitation by the powers that be for manipulation while they hold the trump cards in legislation.

Most blame can be put to the doorstep of Council Officers, in their own crazy quests for power feel the God factor when dealing with a trade that can be held under the thumb by conditions that sail so close to the wind of legality they keep the legal profession in roubles indefinitely-if the trade can afford to defend. Council Officers always intent to dismiss numerical Taxi limitation to maintain the licence fee coffers that fund their departments.

But all this can be circumvented by playing them at their own game..lobbying government opinion and councillor view to fight back from the top down rather than the bottom up...I could go on all night about this, but just suffice to say the NTA are gaining strong ground and respect in government circles in Taxi matters as I hope all other orgs are, if also locally drivers could agree topics and take these individually to their ward councillors and show the human side of the Taxi trade, after all- these councillors are also only human and normally rely on LO opinion for all their information, if they get a whiff there is other opinion, without the slants- from a significant block vote they be there quicker than Jack flash with tongues hanging out. But it needs to be planned, and implemented as thoroughly as any military campaign to target limited resources effectively, that every Councillor has at least one driver educating him about the other side of the Taxi trade never mentioned by Licensing officers. Like I said, from the top down, and not the bottom up despite richly deserving in some cases.
I would find it difficult... to argue against any of the points you have made.. my own belief... is that the taxi trade has to be professional in its dealings with officials.... understand their own rules... their conditions of employment... and most importantly... the trade representatives must work in harmony... personal differences must be put one side...ps.. and .Skull... knows I love him... we growl... but what's new....

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Most blame can be put to the doorstep of Council Officers, in their own crazy quests for power feel the God factor when dealing with a trade that can be held under the thumb by conditions that sail so close to the wind of legality they keep the legal profession in roubles indefinitely-if the trade can afford to defend. Council Officers always intent to dismiss numerical Taxi limitation to maintain the licence fee coffers that fund their departments.


It's not so much that I disagree with this paragraph it's just that what we tend to forget is the council officer is a mere employee of our council. Sometimes I feel it's their need to survive (same as we do) and justify their jobs that creates what appears to be a power hungry officer causing conflict within the trade. I also think that there is the inevitable personality clashes when dealing with taxi drivers. I say this because some drivers have no issues with the LOs whilst others are in constant battle with them even if offences are similar. I also feel that the fact we have two sides to this trade will almost always guarantee conflict within it.

With regard to the question of worth I'm worth more than minimum wage on the 3 month rolling contract that could end on a whim of some employer and where I have no say with regards to anything relating to my job. Consequently I can't remember the last time I was dependant on an employer.

It's a shame that some members of the trade have difficulty working with others that have a differing opinion and coming to a compromise. Once a compromise is reached things can move forwards and as Mr T has said to me previously "slowly, slowly catch a monkey". After all Rome wasn't built in a day :wink:

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Most blame can be put to the doorstep of Council Officers, in their own crazy quests for power feel the God factor when dealing with a trade that can be held under the thumb by conditions that sail so close to the wind of legality they keep the legal profession in roubles indefinitely-if the trade can afford to defend. Council Officers always intent to dismiss numerical Taxi limitation to maintain the licence fee coffers that fund their departments.


It's not so much that I disagree with this paragraph it's just that what we tend to forget is the council officer is a mere employee of our council. Sometimes I feel it's their need to survive (same as we do) and justify their jobs that creates what appears to be a power hungry officer causing conflict within the trade. I also think that there is the inevitable personality clashes when dealing with taxi drivers. I say this because some drivers have no issues with the LOs whilst others are in constant battle with them even if offences are similar. I also feel that the fact we have two sides to this trade will almost always guarantee conflict within it.

With regard to the question of worth I'm worth more than minimum wage on the 3 month rolling contract that could end on a whim of some employer and where I have no say with regards to anything relating to my job. Consequently I can't remember the last time I was dependant on an employer.

It's a shame that some members of the trade have difficulty working with others that have a differing opinion and coming to a compromise. Once a compromise is reached things can move forwards and as Mr T has said to me previously "slowly, slowly catch a monkey". After all Rome wasn't built in a day :wink:


What a load of PI*H :roll:
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Ask yourself a simple question. If tomorrow lawyers stopped being lawyers and started driving taxis how would they run their trade?

What do you think they would do first?

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Ask yourself a simple question. If tomorrow lawyers stopped being lawyers and started driving taxis how would they run their trade?

What do you think they would do first?

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:wink: No chance of that happening... they couldn't pass the knowledge test.

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Ask yourself a simple question. If tomorrow lawyers stopped being lawyers and started driving taxis how would they run their trade?

What do you think they would do first?

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:wink: No chance of that happening... they couldn't pass the knowledge test.


Well, if that's the case then answering the question won't be a problem?

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Ask yourself a simple question. If tomorrow lawyers stopped being lawyers and started driving taxis how would they run their trade?

What do you think they would do first?

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:wink: No chance of that happening... they couldn't pass the knowledge test.



Which trade.... their old one or their new one :oops:

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MR T wrote:
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Ask yourself a simple question. If tomorrow lawyers stopped being lawyers and started driving taxis how would they run their trade?

What do you think they would do first?

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:wink: No chance of that happening... they couldn't pass the knowledge test.



Which trade.... their old one or their new one :oops:


Don't tell me a man of your knowledge and depth of experience is struggling to come up with an answer. :roll:
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No... just need you to clarify your question..... old bean. :wink:

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No... just need you to clarify your question..... old bean. :wink:


See it as a change of a profession from a lawyer to a taxi driver over night. They can no longer practise law. :-|
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