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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:54 am 
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Sussex wrote:
If you go to page 98 of this lengthy document you will see an indication of what the courts view as taxi (as in hackney carriage) touting.

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov. ... _4_web.pdf

IMO if you are waiting anywhere (other than a rank or pre-booked job) with your 'for hire' sign on, then you are committing an offence.

An argument could be made that even if you didn't have it on, if you were parked up outside a nightclub or hotel, then that would be classed as 'touting' as well.

And from page 98 of that document we have;

Licensed taxi-driver touting for trade (i.e. making approach rather than waiting for a person to initiate hiring)

So what is your point?

HC lined up other than on a rank are illegally plying for hire; they are not touting.

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Theres quite a few things youd probally get charged with i.e failing to proceed but touting i dont think so.


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
So what is your point?

HC lined up other than on a rank are illegally plying for hire; they are not touting.

I beg to differ.

If a person asked the cab driver first in the line if he was free, and he said yes, then that's touting.

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Touting i dont think so :roll:


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Sussex wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
So what is your point?

HC lined up other than on a rank are illegally plying for hire; they are not touting.

I beg to differ.

If a person asked the cab driver first in the line if he was free, and he said yes, then that's touting.

I can't see how you can type that when you apply your own logic from page 98 of the document you quoted in a previous post;

And from page 98 of that document we have;

Licensed taxi-driver touting for trade (i.e. making approach rather than waiting for a person to initiate hiring)

In your example the hiring has been initiated by the person asking the cab driver, not the driver making the approach.

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Hackney carriages can only accept fares if either waiting on a designated rank or flagged down whilst in motion.

They cannot wait for fares 'off rank' (ply for hire) or 'seek to gain by approach' customers at any time (touting).

Possible exceptions ; pre-bookings or approached by a fare whilst setting down a previous fare, the latter you're not waiting (plying) for work, or under the direction of an authorised officer.


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Hackney carriages can only accept fares if either waiting on a designated rank or flagged down whilst in motion.

They cannot wait for fares 'off rank' (ply for hire) or 'seek to gain by approach' customers at any time (touting).

Possible exceptions ; pre-bookings or approached by a fare whilst setting down a previous fare, the latter you're not waiting (plying) for work, or under the direction of an authorised officer.


Which part of either the 1847 or 1976 acts state the above....particularly the following;

Hackney carriages can only accept fares if either waiting on a designated rank or flagged down whilst in motion.

I've been skimming through and I can't see the bit.

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Lets have the senario of pulled over to make a phone call ,when someone approaches me "are you free mate?" off we go.Thats what hackneys do its not touting its called working.


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captain cab wrote:

Which part of either the 1847 or 1976 acts state the above....

It's not necessarily what's written in the acts more how the courts interpret them.

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Sussex wrote:
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Which part of either the 1847 or 1976 acts state the above....

It's not necessarily what's written in the acts more how the courts interpret them.


You mean neither act contains what the poster has alluded to?

I don't doubt the fact taxis can only stand on ranks or ply for hire whilst in motion........its just that I think its dictated in byelaws and conditions.

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I haven't changed my view that touting laws are adequate to deal with the senarios being discussed.

However if bylaws make it easier then all well and good.

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