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£150 tax and NI each week taken from may wages, I don't go rioting.


I am not surprised with wages like that, that you do not go rioting.......jeeeez,you must be on a bleedin fortune :shock:



I was in general refering to the nation (the people), it is at rock bottom.

No jobs, minimum wage if you can get a job, pay freezes Or reductions in many cases....................and companies make Billions!!!

I have not been to the areas that these people live in, but if it is anything like "Bute Town" in Cardiff..............then there is no hope and a sh!t place to live in.

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so cabby john, you blame consecutive goverments but i dont see your suggestions to break the chain, so come on, tell us how to stop the riffraff from thieving and dealing+taking drugs when basically the enjoy it, and they wont go to work for what i go to work for whan they can get £500 a week for a family of 5 to live off from the DSS

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so cabby john, you blame consecutive goverments but i dont see your suggestions to break the chain, so come on, tell us how to stop the riffraff from thieving and dealing+taking drugs when basically the enjoy it, and they wont go to work for what i go to work for whan they can get £500 a week for a family of 5 to live off from the DSS


It's aspirational, if you don't share the wealth, give support and create equal opportunities for these youths, then what do you expect? You only get out what you put in. Disaffected youths with no future to lose and everything to gain by their actions - Respect, Revenue And Revenge.



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so cabby john, you blame consecutive goverments but i dont see your suggestions to break the chain, so come on, tell us how to stop the riffraff from thieving and dealing+taking drugs when basically the enjoy it, and they wont go to work for what i go to work for whan they can get £500 a week for a family of 5 to live off from the DSS


I do not know what is going on, but THREE times my web page has crashed :twisted: after having written a lengthy reply.

I will try at a later date to reply, but basically I go along with Skulls line.

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so the poor dissaffected disadvanted lambs cant help themselves and its not thier fault really?

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what of the decent hardworking shopkeepers who have spent years building up thier businesses only to see it robbed and torched?

when someone dies in a fire started by these riffraff will we cry for the victim or for the criminal who thought not having a job and havng to rely on the DSS and whatever else they do is utter hardship?

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interesting racial mix....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14462271

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I got caught in the riots tonight. I was trapped in Boots and pelted with Omega 3 capsules. Luckily I only received super-fish-oil injuries.


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Well the do-gooders over the last 20 + years have made it so that the kids control the streets... and if a parent was to smack a child than they would be arrested, if you even where to lock a young person in his room... you would be arrested for kidnap.... the do-gooders have created the monster that now controls the streets... they have made them fearless of any type of authority...... most people are good... but you always have a small majority that are totally stupid... who are led by the thieves..... what is needed is for adult's to be put back in charge.

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Well the do-gooders over the last 20 + years have made it so that the kids control the streets... and if a parent was to smack a child than they would be arrested, if you even where to lock a young person in his room... you would be arrested for kidnap.... the do-gooders have created the monster that now controls the streets... they have made them fearless of any type of authority...... most people are good... but you always have a small majority that are totally stupid... who are led by the thieves..... what is needed is for adult's to be put back in charge.


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There was a riot in Dundee tonight at the chip shop on the high street twa fish got battered :oops:


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PMSL..... 1 year of tory rule and you blame them.......RAOFLMFHO....

Blair/Brown were MORE "Conservative" (capital C) than the current goverment!


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consecutive governments 
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The clue is in the word.............CONSECUTIVE


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so cabby john, you blame consecutive goverments but i dont see your suggestions to break the chain, so come on, tell us how to stop the riffraff from thieving and dealing+taking drugs when basically the enjoy it, and they wont go to work for what i go to work for whan they can get £500 a week for a family of 5 to live off from the DSS


I will give it a whirl.

First and foremost, even if you are right £500 per week for a family of five to live off is not a lot @ £100 per week each, having said that not bad for nothing, but not something that I could live off of.

Right down to business.

I do not accept that they are all "Riff Raff, druggies or Thieves".

These are black ghettos that spawn criminality and it is no coincidence that they are all grouped together and because of that it will seem that most are the same, but they are not. They have been grouped together deliberately, as it is easier to keep a general eye on them as they have already been categorised in the eyes of the government/whatever government, and tbh they do stand an even chance of making something out of themselves.

Look at what they have OR do not have.

No jobs, and in many cases have never had one and never will.
No prospects and nothing to look forward to, and never will.
Poor housing, most in tenement blocks/flats that are notorious breeding grounds for drugs, thieving and general criminality.

The bottom line is that they are existing and are trying to think their way out of where they are, by any way, but which way.

WHAT WOULD YOU DO if you were Black, do you take second best, accept your lot of which is pretty poor, or do you try by whatever means to better your life and that of your family?!

I do not care what anyone thinks, but if you are black then you have less chance than the average person, and it has always been that way. The proof in the pudding is " Are there White ghettos"????!!!

The problem is "Capitalistic greed".

For the best part of 37 years we have had wage restraints in this country, with the last generous prime minister being "Harold Wilson". Wage negotiations being restricted to £1+4% of your salary. The following year it was down to £1 increase OR the 4% (I cannot remember which one), since then it has been down down down, with either no increases in most cases, or decreases in many.

Taking into account the above, companies have gone on from strength to strength, making their Billions and then sacking people to then take the jobs abroad to make even bigger billions to feed the big bosses at the top.

The bottom line being is that the work force are not sharing in the wealth and never have done since the power days of the unions, when they were real unions and not the toothless organisations that are today. These days they are in the pocket of the governments, receiving grants totaling hundreds of thousands of pounds to keep the peace, the very people who we relied on years ago to guide us are getting the big salaries to shaft us.

We have lost millions of jobs to foreign countries and the unions say nothing, millions of people have come into the country for a better life!!!!!!!!! only to find that there is no better life. The failing lays in the hands of the government, who allow greedy companies to make not just profits but vulgar profits, that are way up and above what they need and then watch them move the jobs to other countries ie third world.

To give you an example.

Back about a year or so ago (prior to the American oil disaster). BP announced a profit of around 38 Billion :shock: , unfortunately the stock market were expecting 41 billion :shock: The down shot was BP shed over 3000 jobs to appease the stock market.

In my book that is vulgar beyond belief. To my way of thinking BP could have well afforded to have paid those 3000 people shall we say 50K per annum. With add ons i.e national insurance, pensions etc the wage bill would have come to around 200 million, which would have meant that the profit figure for the Stock market would have been around 37,800,000,000...............how awful :roll:

The big plus is that the work force would have been able to afford houses, cars, spend in shops,pubs,restaurants, taxis,takeaways and so on, in turn creating more employment. As it is the likes of BP will smash up a few diamond drill bits, spill a bit of oil..............and then write it off, and of course pay their execs millions of pounds in salaries, pension pots, bonuses, perks and so on, sacking people as they go along and the government say nothing.

The point that I am trying to make is that the average Brit is working his/her nuts off..............but not sharing in the spoils. we are all being stitched up in one way or another by successive governments. We on this forum cannot see any way out of the troubles in the TAXI industry, with many saying that it is finished, so where is there for us to go and we are working.

What if you were black and living in the places that they live in with the general lack of opportunity, what is there, ANARCHY! I have to say what has happened is awful but will happen time and time again.

The underclass has been created, yes created............so what do the government do now to control them, because to a degree for those people it is about survival, see the killing figures for black on black, there is no longer any fear, because there is nothing to look forward to.

The proof.

Look at the most affluent area in your area, and you will not find them burglarising each others homes, or stealing from each other in general or rioting. Why? because they have plenty. The people who rioted do not have plenty, and it is no good anyone saying get a job because they are not out there. It was never about the guy that got shot, it was about an opportunity to do some shopping without paying, and to pay society back, in their eyes anyone who has a business is rich and unfortunately they got in the way.


So make no mistake this problem is caused by capitalistic greed, not by you or I, but by the wealth makers and it could get very rough as we see an even bigger divide between rich and poor happening before our very eyes. The recession is like no other before it! all the others had excessively high interest rates and there was room to maneuver and to adjust the economy/create jobs , on this one there is no room whatsoever and the problems are going to get a lot worse. The reason being is that they (the government and the big bosses) have screwed everybody so much and so hard, they have ended up screwing themselves, and that makes me smile.

It is going to be very interesting.

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john, so you advise communism (like thats corruption free?) and tell me what rioters get on china?

or shall we water down communism and just go for hard line socialism?

mmm, yeah, like that works

your car was built by a big business wasnt it? dont you want a car? and who invested billions in oil exploration so you can work? - big business id guess

you cant have it all mate

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the black ghettos exist because they are welfare housing which most of them are quite happy to live in rent free

the welfare housing (council houses) built post WW2 was handed over to tenants who were gratefull and knew how to look after the houses, and back then single parents were a minority,now the feckless pram pushers have more kids to get a house and more benefits

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