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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:11 pm 
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The answer is relatively simple... rioters from allover the country should be sent up to Hadrian's Wall..... given the tools and equipment to reinstate it... only taller and stronger.. place them under canvas until it is finished.... when finished... march them to the Scottish side.... and then close the door.... :wink:

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The law is the law


Maybe so but, the Legal system has been bound by the softly, softly approach far too long...the Law needs re-written and, human rights needs ammended in order to attain any such punishiment to befit the crime. Not to mention a Penal system that's at overspill.
Build new prisons on un-inhabited islands off the coast of the UK, and rid society of those deemed unfit to remain in it. But what exactly at present is, the full force of the Law ??


It's not necessary for a legal system to take action if successive governments don't create an underclass of disaffected youth in the first place.


Find the cause and fix the problem.


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Not one politician has yet said....................What has caused this problem!

All they talk about is punishment, and that they cannot let this go.

It is a question that they are reluctant/afraid to ask.

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Its because they know what caused it,you dont think there going to admit to anything wrong do you.It broke my heart that david had to cut his holidays short,i wonder if hes still as keen to cut the police no..? :lol:


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http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages ... E90029A742

http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages ... E9005C09A6


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i see my suggestions of water cannon, plastic bullets and closing down the social networks when needs be are all being muted now

GCHQ have a monitoring program called echalon - look it up

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The point surely is, if these people aint got a pot to p*ss in now......taking away any benefit they have will only force them to steal more.

Maybe so, and that's their problem not yours or mine.

I wonder how many of those that have been arrested and charged would have sooner stayed in over the last few days, instead of causing havoc?

I would imagine most of them, but maybe if they knew that they would be losing their liberty, their homes, and their income, then they might have all decided that telly really wasn't worth nicking.

Some of those who have pleaded guilty will lose their jobs, in other words their incomes. Are we saying they shouldn't lose their jobs because they may become homeless?

The law is there to protect the good folks that don't break the law, as well as punishing the guilty. For those that do lose their dole, maybe they will just have to work in those places that currently employ non EU citizens.

In London there are 1000s of manual jobs, and these scumbags will just have to do these jobs.

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wannabeeahack wrote:
GCHQ have a monitoring program called echalon - look it up


Anyone who thinks that any call is secure should know better. Encrypted or not.

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In London there are 1000s of manual jobs, and these scumbags will just have to do these jobs.


Would you give them a job? I wouldn't!

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Would you give them a job? I wouldn't!

Picking up rubbish, sweeping the streets, car wash, plate washing in restaurants.

There are plenty more, but the deterrent factor might lead them to not being in their iffy situation in the first place.

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The point surely is, if these people aint got a pot to p*ss in now......taking away any benefit they have will only force them to steal more.

Maybe so, and that's their problem not yours or mine.

I wonder how many of those that have been arrested and charged would have sooner stayed in over the last few days, instead of causing havoc?

I would imagine most of them, but maybe if they knew that they would be losing their liberty, their homes, and their income, then they might have all decided that telly really wasn't worth nicking.

Some of those who have pleaded guilty will lose their jobs, in other words their incomes. Are we saying they shouldn't lose their jobs because they may become homeless?

The law is there to protect the good folks that don't break the law, as well as punishing the guilty. For those that do lose their dole, maybe they will just have to work in those places that currently employ non EU citizens.

In London there are 1000s of manual jobs, and these scumbags will just have to do these jobs.


I think the Government would be better served giving them the opportunity to become taxi drivers.

That would sort them out. :)


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skull wrote:
What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it

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I will have a go.

Idiots thinking they could get away with getting stuff for nothing, and then thinking they are invincible.

Not hunger, not homelessness, just pure greed and thuggery.

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toots wrote:
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What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it



Let me ask you a couple of questions before I give you my answer.

What did you dream of becoming when you were a child? And if you had your time over again, what would you do differently to make it happen?


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I am sure everybody has their own point of view of what is wrong and in reality it certainly isn't just one thing. What has happened over the past week has been happening in smaller instances over the last ten to fifteen years (disorder in the streets, gangs going berserk etc.) and now fullblown looting.
We have parents bringing up children who are little more than children themselves, so how do they teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. We have seen parents arrested, taken to police stations and held because their own 13 or 14yr old child has accused them of assault. We have teachers who have been placed in an intolerable position because they are not allowed to use corporal punishment and even the mere accusation of 'assault' leads to an immediate suspension with the possibility of a career ruined. Teachers have lost all authority in the classroom which makes them powerless to deal with the more disruptive pupils, who then take their attitude out into the streets.
The man in the street can find himself in a position where he is confronted by a gang of young teenagers, who are hurling abuse, and find himself powerless. They only have to accuse him of assault and he will be the one arrested. That is if they don't beat him up and kill him first.
To me the law regarding children needs to be seriously re-evaluated, and adults must be placed back in charge. What is also needed is stronger laws allowing people to protect their own property.

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MR T wrote:
I am sure everybody has their own point of view of what is wrong and in reality it certainly isn't just one thing. What has happened over the past week has been happening in smaller instances over the last ten to fifteen years (disorder in the streets, gangs going berserk etc.) and now fullblown looting.
We have parents bringing up children who are little more than children themselves, so how do they teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. We have seen parents arrested, taken to police stations and held because their own 13 or 14yr old child has accused them of assault. We have teachers who have been placed in an intolerable position because they are not allowed to use corporal punishment and even the mere accusation of 'assault' leads to an immediate suspension with the possibility of a career ruined. Teachers have lost all authority in the classroom which makes them powerless to deal with the more disruptive pupils, who then take their attitude out into the streets.
The man in the street can find himself in a position where he is confronted by a gang of young teenagers, who are hurling abuse, and find himself powerless. They only have to accuse him of assault and he will be the one arrested. That is if they don't beat him up and kill him first.
To me the law regarding children needs to be seriously re-evaluated, and adults must be placed back in charge. What is also needed is stronger laws allowing people to protect their own property.


I thought we were debating the cause, why it happens, not the effect.
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