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What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it



Let me ask you a couple of questions before I give you my answer.

What did you dream of becoming when you were a child? And if you had your time over again, what would you do differently to make it happen?


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A ballet dancer and if I had my time again I would have let the ball hit me instead of trying to avoid it :wink:

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What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it



Let me ask you a couple of questions before I give you my answer.

What did you dream of becoming when you were a child? And if you had your time over again, what would you do differently to make it happen?


:-|


A ballet dancer and if I had my time again I would have let the ball hit me instead of trying to avoid it :wink:



Okay Toots, you know better than to give me a nugget of information about yourself.

Try this:

Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.

:-|


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I am sure everybody has their own point of view of what is wrong and in reality it certainly isn't just one thing. What has happened over the past week has been happening in smaller instances over the last ten to fifteen years (disorder in the streets, gangs going berserk etc.) and now fullblown looting.
We have parents bringing up children who are little more than children themselves, so how do they teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. We have seen parents arrested, taken to police stations and held because their own 13 or 14yr old child has accused them of assault. We have teachers who have been placed in an intolerable position because they are not allowed to use corporal punishment and even the mere accusation of 'assault' leads to an immediate suspension with the possibility of a career ruined. Teachers have lost all authority in the classroom which makes them powerless to deal with the more disruptive pupils, who then take their attitude out into the streets.
The man in the street can find himself in a position where he is confronted by a gang of young teenagers, who are hurling abuse, and find himself powerless. They only have to accuse him of assault and he will be the one arrested. That is if they don't beat him up and kill him first.
To me the law regarding children needs to be seriously re-evaluated, and adults must be placed back in charge. What is also needed is stronger laws allowing people to protect their own property.


I thought we were debating the cause, why it happens, not the effect.


I think in the above, above post, it is both one and the same + failed capitalism.

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I am sure everybody has their own point of view of what is wrong and in reality it certainly isn't just one thing. What has happened over the past week has been happening in smaller instances over the last ten to fifteen years (disorder in the streets, gangs going berserk etc.) and now fullblown looting.
We have parents bringing up children who are little more than children themselves, so how do they teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. We have seen parents arrested, taken to police stations and held because their own 13 or 14yr old child has accused them of assault. We have teachers who have been placed in an intolerable position because they are not allowed to use corporal punishment and even the mere accusation of 'assault' leads to an immediate suspension with the possibility of a career ruined. Teachers have lost all authority in the classroom which makes them powerless to deal with the more disruptive pupils, who then take their attitude out into the streets.
The man in the street can find himself in a position where he is confronted by a gang of young teenagers, who are hurling abuse, and find himself powerless. They only have to accuse him of assault and he will be the one arrested. That is if they don't beat him up and kill him first.
To me the law regarding children needs to be seriously re-evaluated, and adults must be placed back in charge. What is also needed is stronger laws allowing people to protect their own property.


I thought we were debating the cause, why it happens, not the effect.


I think in the above, above, post, it is both one and the same + failed capitalism.


Agreed. :-|


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MR T wrote: I am sure everybody has their own point of view of what is wrong and in reality it certainly isn't just one thing. What has happened over the past week has been happening in smaller instances over the last ten to fifteen years (disorder in the streets, gangs going berserk etc.) and now fullblown looting. We have parents bringing up children who are little more than children themselves, so how do they teach their kids the difference between right and wrong. We have seen parents arrested, taken to police stations and held because their own 13 or 14yr old child has accused them of assault. We have teachers who have been placed in an intolerable position because they are not allowed to use corporal punishment and even the mere accusation of 'assault' leads to an immediate suspension with the possibility of a career ruined. Teachers have lost all authority in the classroom which makes them powerless to deal with the more disruptive pupils, who then take their attitude out into the streets. The man in the street can find himself in a position where he is confronted by a gang of young teenagers, who are hurling abuse, and find himself powerless. They only have to accuse him of assault and he will be the one arrested. That is if they don't beat him up and kill him first. To me the law regarding children needs to be seriously re-evaluated, and adults must be placed back in charge. What is also needed is stronger laws allowing people to protect their own property. I thought we were debating the cause, why it happens, not the effect.
I think in the above, above, post, it is both one and the same + failed capitalism.
Agreed. :-|

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Skull wrote:
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What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it



Let me ask you a couple of questions before I give you my answer.

What did you dream of becoming when you were a child? And if you had your time over again, what would you do differently to make it happen?


:-|


A ballet dancer and if I had my time again I would have let the ball hit me instead of trying to avoid it :wink:



Okay Toots, you know better than to give me a nugget of information about yourself.

I don't know what you mean? You asked and I answered. I was going to be the next Margot Fonteyn. An accident in school stopped me dead in my tracks

Try this:

Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.

:-|


You picked something I like. Education I just love it. It's one of those things that's not just learnt in school. Some of the best education you can get is from your parents, relatives and friends and it knows no boundaries you can learn forever.

Do I believe it to be aspirational? I must do because I love to learn new things and I continue to attend night classes whenever I find a subject that interests me.

Both my daughters are well educated one in a private school and one in a state school

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toots wrote:
Skull wrote:
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Skull wrote:
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skull wrote:
What has caused this problem!


You raise an interesting question. Would you care to have a go at answering it



Let me ask you a couple of questions before I give you my answer.

What did you dream of becoming when you were a child? And if you had your time over again, what would you do differently to make it happen?


:-|


A ballet dancer and if I had my time again I would have let the ball hit me instead of trying to avoid it :wink:



Okay Toots, you know better than to give me a nugget of information about yourself.

I don't know what you mean? You asked and I answered. I was going to be the next Margot Fonteyn. An accident in school stopped me dead in my tracks

Try this:

Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.

:-|


You picked something I like. Education I just love it. It's one of those things that's not just learnt in school. Some of the best education you can get is from your parents, relatives and friends and it knows no boundaries you can learn forever.

Do I believe it to be aspirational? I must do because I love to learn new things and I continue to attend night classes whenever I find a subject that interests me.

Both my daughters are well educated one in a private school and one in a state school


Try answering the question I posed from the perspective of the kids involved in the looting and rioting.

Think of my question as being objective rather than subjective.

Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.


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Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.


Yes for the most part I do. Obviously it isn't perfect but nothing ever is. Judging by some of the pictures I've seen on the news some of these looters appear to come from perfectly nice homes, but, I guess appearances can be deceptive.

Now how about you answer the question I posed for you?

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Do you believe the educational system in this country to be aspirational?

Giving the child every opportunity to fulfil their dreams in an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background.


Yes for the most part I do. Obviously it isn't perfect but nothing ever is. Judging by some of the pictures I've seen on the news some of these looters appear to come from perfectly nice homes, but, I guess appearances can be deceptive.

Now how about you answer the question I posed for you?


Perhaps the education system is more structured towards producing a complaint work force, by filtering out those who can't sit still for hours on end doing mind numbing fu*king tasks that make no fu*king sense in the first place. Maybe, just maybe, those suited to jumping through the necessary hoops get the “education” and the best jobs, because they have learned to comply and don't ask too many questions.

Some people refer to them as mindless units of production that have never had an original thought in their fu*king lives. And if they have they can't remember anyway. Rumour has it. They've been seen working in government and the police.

What you see on the streets is an expression of kids who are educating themselves through the internet. They know they are lost to society, but they can communicate with like-minded individuals up and down the country and across the world. Society is telling them you are what you have, their answer is, to take what they can get.

Think about the examples set by bankers, politicians and celebrities – anyone pretending to play by the rules just hasn't been caught yet.

I give you a quote by Hunter S. Thompson: In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.

Revenue, Respect and Revenge - I predict a riot!

All of this bull*hit on the television is for public consumption. The government is just giving the public what they what to believe. The problem remains and the solution starts with education, real education.


An education that gives every child the opportunity to fulfil their dreams. In an environment of encouragement where love and respect are learned by example, irrespective of their social background or status. :-|


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HERE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT ON THE LONDON RIOTS FROM THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN!!!

'Iran ready to send peacekeepers to UK'
Commander of Iran's Basij Force says it is ready to deploy peacekeeper forces in London as the unrest in the British capital drags on despite tightened security measures

Thursday Aug 11, 2011 2:52PM GMT

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Commander of Iran's Basij Force Mohammad-Reza Naqdi

“The Ashura brigades of Basij forces are ready to be deployed to London as peacekeeping forces,” Brigadier General Mohammad-Reza Naqdi said on Thursday, Fars news agency reported.

Naqdi criticized the British authorities for their harsh crackdown of protesters and describing them as rioters and hooligans.

“Unfortunately the crimes and violence of the autocratic British kingdom continues against the country's deprived [population] and not only the advice of well-wishers has no effect on the conduct of the regime's repressive police force but we witness the deprived people of this country are being called a bunch of thieves and looters,” he regretted.

Naqdi expressed disappointment with the UN Security Council as invariably supporting oppressors.

“If the UN General Assembly approves, the Basij Organization is ready to send a number of Ashura and al-Zahra brigades to Liverpool and Birmingham as peacekeepers to monitor observation of human rights laws and deter use of force,” he added.

Naqdi referred to UK Prince Williams' lavish wedding and the high cost of its live coverage and described the recent uprisings in Britain as the result of “big mistakes” by British officials and warned them of even more severe consequences.

“This is the beginning of the road and the UK regime has to pay the price for the massacres in Africa, wars and bloodshed in the Indian peninsula, crimes in China, the fall of the Ottoman Empire and bloody conflicts among Muslims and followers of other faiths,” the brigadier noted.

He said the uprising in Britain even if oppressed at this stage is far deeper than a political unrest or factional conflict to be resolved easily.

“This wound will come to a head elsewhere…The people of Britain have awakened and will definitely take their rights back,” he stated.

Naqdi condemned the use of violence against protesters in Britain and deplored the killing of Mark Duggan, 26, who sustained injuries in a shooting spree by armed officers in Ferry Lane in Tottenham last Thursday.

The father of four was killed after police stopped the minicab he was in to carry out an arrest as part of a pre-planned operation. Meanwhile, ballistic tests have indicated that Duggan did not fire at officers before he was killed.

Naqdi recalled remarks by Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, who had earlier warned of similar revolutions in Europe as those in North Africa and the Middle East.

MRS/MGH

Source; http://www.presstv.com/detail/193467.html

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This brigadier gezza is a f*cking wind-up merchant!!

FFS!!!

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This brigadier gezza is a f*cking wind-up merchant!!

FFS!!!


Hey unless this is a spoof statement, then it is no different than our lot interfering in another countries affairs (we do exactly the same)..................and who is to say that he is wrong :shock:

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Do you know any of these 44 looters and rioters;

http://news.uk.msn.com/photos/photos.as ... 964&page=1

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There was a time when people didnt bleat about having SFA, and they didnt go round looting, they had families and religion and not much more

When we stop granting 100% benefits to single parent then many will stop getting pregnant instead of finding a career, when we stop giving asylum seekers and illegals a home and benefits (though how the afro-caribbean guy on the TV could spout off about immigrants taking jobs takes some explaining) and when criminals (as that is surely what they are) get punished (send em street cleaning for 6 months) we may turn this country around

bleating that many are on low wages is a red herring, the DSS will top up wages if needs be, and we could all cry we havent enough, but we dont all go out on the rob.

the cops in this country are [edited by admin] scared of upsetting or offending anyone who may make a complaint, "me speeky no eeenglish" well mate, try that in spain or bulgaria, tough, whack, lockup.....job done

english soccer louts abroad know where to behave and not to do as they do here!

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Whats with the constant race thing,i would say the vast majority was born in this country.


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