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Fair pay comes after education and not before.


That doesn't answer the question of what a fair days pay for a fair days work is


If you are not educated enough to know "what a fair days pay for a fair days work is." how would you know?

You can be sure, if taxi drivers were educated enough to know what a fair days pay is, they'd be getting paid a hell of a lot more than they are now.

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Are you saying that you are not educated to know what a fair days pay for a fair days work is? The question was specifically aimed at what YOU thought a fair days pay was :-|



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Are you saying that you are not educated to know what a fair days pay for a fair days work is?


No. I am saying that, if taxi drivers were educated, they would not allow politicians to set their meter rate. They would, in fact, be charging the market rate. A fair days pay would be the most you could charge for your services.

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The question was specifically aimed at what YOU thought a fair days pay was.


I could give you a figure, but it would be subjective and relative to my own personal circumstances.

You could also come up with a figure. We might agree, and we might disagree but a market rate would take away any conjecture. :-|
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Everyone has thier place in society

clever and thick, even taxi drivers...................



Happy, thick and a taxi driver, you must be over the moon with your position in life. :)
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No. I am saying that, if taxi drivers were educated, they would not allow politicians to set their meter rate. They would, in fact, be charging the market rate. A fair days pay would be the most you could charge for your services.


A lot of taxi drivers are educated and to assume they aren't isn't right. Seeing as a fair days pay is subjective and relative where does that leave the paying public?

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You could also come up with a figure. We might agree, and we might disagree but a market rate would take away any conjecture.


We already have a market rate insofar as we have a minimum wage.

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Thick rich kids don't necessarily 'do better' they just don't have to and yes I know it's unfair. Neither do I agree that the biggest factor of how well a child can do in later life is purely based on their parents income. My income wasn't great so that certainly isn't why my kids are doing well. My parenting skills are good though so perhaps that helped them along the way. You should not blame everything on the government and the systems in place. I know there are plenty of failures due to the government and the systems in place but not everything is their fault.


They do better because they live in more affluent areas,the parents income does play a factor as they will inevitably have a better choice of school.How many times do you see people move to a catchment area to get there kids in the school they want ?I know of many.Yes im sure your a good parent and your kids are doing well,so are mine ,but thats not everyone.Also i dont blame everything on the goverment , just a lot on the tories !! :wink:


You're quite right it does 'play a factor', but, it's no guarantee. The same as if a child is less fortunate it doesn't necessarily mean they won't achieve. There are lots of reasons why people do not gain an education and possibly end up illiterate or unable to do basic sums, poverty is just one of the reasons. I certainly don't blame it on one particular political party :wink:

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No. I am saying that, if taxi drivers were educated, they would not allow politicians to set their meter rate. They would, in fact, be charging the market rate. A fair days pay would be the most you could charge for your services.


A lot of taxi drivers are educated and to assume they aren't isn't right. Seeing as a fair days pay is subjective and relative where does that leave the paying public?

skull wrote:
You could also come up with a figure. We might agree, and we might disagree but a market rate would take away any conjecture.


We already have a market rate insofar as we have a minimum wage.



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A lot of taxi drivers are educated and to assume they aren't isn't right.


A lot of taxi drivers are educated to be compliant obedient workers. If not, then why is the meter rate being left to politicians to decide what taxi drivers are paid as a profession?

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Seeing as a fair days pay is subjective and relative where does that leave the paying public?


Paying. Like in any other market, they have the choice to pay or to take their business elsewhere.


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We already have a market rate insofar as we have a minimum wage.


A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate. :-|
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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?

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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?


Well, I don't know if it's fair, but it's better than not having one. :-|
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Skull wrote:
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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?


Well, I don't know if it's fair, but it's better than not having one. :-|


One might say you have a lot to say but in reality you say nothing really. I'll tell you what I think about the national minimum wage and whether it is fair or not. Imo it really depends what I have to do to obtain it :wink: As far as I am concerned if you pay minimum wage you are likely to get minimum effort :D

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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?


Well, I don't know if it's fair, but it's better than not having one. :-|


One might say you have a lot to say but in reality you say nothing really. I'll tell you what I think about the national minimum wage and whether it is fair or not. Imo it really depends what I have to do to obtain it :wink: As far as I am concerned if you pay minimum wage you are likely to get minimum effort :D



And one might say everything you say is in defence of your subjective reality. You see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear, and believe what you want to believe. You are living proof that the “education” system in this country creates compliant and obedient workers.

It makes me glad I missed out.
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I can tell you from personal experience, schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.

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Go on then, tell us.


I have a son with special needs. :-|


That doesn't tell us why you think schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.
In my area we have several schools especially for children with special needs and they are well resourced. In fact I would say that some are to well resourced and they waste money left, right and centre. Don't mainstream schools in your area get extra funding for each pupil they have on their roll who has a special need or a statement? They do around here.

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Everyone has thier place in society

clever and thick, even taxi drivers...................



Happy, thick and a taxi driver, you must be over the moon with your position in life. :)


and you with yours, the keyboard is your bestest buddy............pmsl

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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?


Well, I don't know if it's fair, but it's better than not having one. :-|


thats called voluntary work, sometimes community work, and is avaiilable for convicted telly-nickers via the courts....

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I can tell you from personal experience, schools will fight tooth and nail, not, to provide children with special needs the resources they require.

:-|


Go on then, tell us.


I have a son with special needs. :-|


I think your wrong, my wife worked as a special needs TA, at one time these kids were excluded from main stream schools, invariably ending up at "special schools" and while such schools still exist (thank god - school transport!) mainstream schools by us have large numbers of disabled and special needs children though of course, there needs to be a balance otherwise the education of all can suffer

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Skull wrote:
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A minimum wage is set by the government, and is the very least you should be paid. It is not a market rate.


Do you think it's a fair rate?


Well, I don't know if it's fair, but it's better than not having one. :-|


One might say you have a lot to say but in reality you say nothing really. I'll tell you what I think about the national minimum wage and whether it is fair or not. Imo it really depends what I have to do to obtain it :wink: As far as I am concerned if you pay minimum wage you are likely to get minimum effort :D



And one might say everything you say is in defence of your subjective reality. You see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear, and believe what you want to believe. You are living proof that the “education” system in this country creates compliant and obedient workers.

It makes me glad I missed out.


I do believe this can be said of you too. Having you as an example of how I could have turned out if I weren't educated is enough to make me thankful that I am

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The sad fact is that the bulk/hardcore/ring leaders in the riots may well have been "ghetto" kids and gang members who have little education (though there were some glaring exceptions, qualified people) but if they wont go to school, and the parent (sometimes parents) wont send them how do you educate them?

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