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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:57 am 
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How do you think you keep "riff raff" out exactly ? Believe me there isnt a foolproof way, and theres plenty whether it be blackpool or london.Your way off the mark and i suspect you know it.Stop worrying about plate premiums, if your happy what your doing whats the problem ? As ive said before its ok here thanks the way it is. I could understand someone not in the trade wanting de restriction,but someone in it ,feck me !! How exactly does a plate premium keep the riff raff out ? :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:54 pm 
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Yes, you're spot on Blackpool - plate premiums don't keep the riff raff out. All they mean is that only those with the money can get in. [-(


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:48 pm 
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So youve never heard of renting i.e driving for someone ?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:17 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
So youve never heard of renting i.e driving for someone ?


Indeed. Even the riff raff can buy a plate or rent from someone else.

Well said Blackpool =D>


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:32 pm 
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But to get back to the original argument i still think restriction is a better option than a free for all ! Why as a cab driver myself that only just earns a living would i want more cabs ?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:43 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
But to get back to the original argument i still think restriction is a better option than a free for all ! Why as a cab driver myself that only just earns a living would i want more cabs ?

I don't criticise folks for having that view, even if I disagree with it. My beef is with people going apoplectic when folks give the alternative view.

In my area we have 1,500 licensed hackney carriage drivers, and less than (at a guess) 400 owners. So why are the views of the minority taken as the views of the majority?

To answer my own question, it's by intimidation. :sad:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:57 pm 
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blackpool wrote:
But to get back to the original argument i still think restriction is a better option than a free for all ! Why as a cab driver myself that only just earns a living would i want more cabs ?


Yes, but it shouldn't be about what suits you, it should be about the trade more generally.

Thus why should other taxi drivers be stopped from running their own vehicle?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:07 pm 
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As in views do you mean its not down to the council ? I dont know much about your manor but as a general rule the people who favour de reg usually get their plate and sell theyve no vested interest in taxis.The vast majority of renters prefer to rent,same as why some people rent houses and some take morgages i guess. But after all said and done i dont think taxi drivers wAnt more taxis it just doesnt work ,would you buy a chippy or off licence on a road with another 5 or so next door to each other ?dont really need a answer i know :D


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:32 pm 
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Suits the trade more generally ? Have you convinced yourself of this or are you fed up of being ph.Maybe ask people in deristricted areas if it is better for them,i very much doubt it.The thing that allways baffles me is how could any half sensible driver or owner want more cabs in their area ? Sorry just think of your fellow drivers dont you :lol: well i think of myself and family aswell thanks ...


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:47 pm 
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Er, I've got a plate in a restricted area, clever clogs.

But how it helps me is anyone's guess, because I don't hire drivers, but because most owners do anyone who gets a badge can get a shift.

How does that help me or indeed the trade generally? There's no restriction on entering it, it's just that new drivers can't run their own motor.

If they're on the ranks anyway what difference does it make whose motor they're in? Except, of course to people like yourself.

Or those who treat the trade as a second or third income or as some sort of hobby and wheel their taxi out when it suits, while those trying to make a living from the trade can't run their own motor :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:51 pm 
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Er, I've got a plate in a restricted area, clever clogs.

But how it helps me is anyone's guess, because I don't hire drivers, but because most owners do anyone who gets a badge can get a shift.

How does that help me or indeed the trade generally? There's no restriction on entering it, it's just that new drivers can't run their own motor.

If they're on the ranks anyway what difference does it make whose motor they're in? Except, of course to people like yourself.

Or those who treat the trade as a second or third income or as some sort of hobby and wheel their taxi out when it suits, while those trying to make a living from the trade can't run their own motor :roll:


Perhaps because the oversupply of both owners and drivers means in a place like mine owners/drivers are doing 12 hours work for well below the NMW.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:56 pm 
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So what difference does it make allowing some to run motors and others not to #-o


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:03 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
So what difference does it make allowing some to run motors and others not to #-o


The difference is the number of taxis working ranks.

Lets take sussex's figures of 1500 drivers and 400 vehicles......only 400 vehicles can work at any one time....unless your using some type of law from red dwarf.

Those 400 vehicle have been decided as the optimum number for his area.

My area has no optimum, so if we have a day like today where its late night shopping....every cab and his dog come out to work......ranks choca......a decent day decimated because of too many cabs......likewise with race days etc.

The cab is worked around the whim of a driver.....as opposed to serving the public for whom it is licensed.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:06 pm 
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Because the more cabs out there the more hours you have to put in to earn a wage ! surely you can see that.As for working part time it must be good where you are :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:10 pm 
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But in my manor any driver can work as many hours as he wants, so where's the restraint in supply?

And in most manors the restricted trade will still take on any driver who wants a shift, so where's the restraint in supply?

As per your example, there may be a restraint at certain times, but overall there's not.

And in my manor I doubt if all the cabs are ever utilised at any one time, purely because they can't get the drivers.


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