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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:33 pm 
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All the above could be dealt with by new legislation.

But one has to remember what the remit of the Law Commission is i.e. to get rid of red-tape.

Your, not unreasonable, ideas increase it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:36 pm 
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2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority

Whilst I may agree that vehicles should not be sold with licences attached I can see why the council don't prevent it. I mean it's like selling a pub without a license to trade when clearly that isn't the case and isn't likely to ever be the case.

But does the council allow unlimited pubs?


I don't think a license has ever been refused on the grounds that there are already enough pubs in the licensed area although I know they'll refuse a license on the grounds of location if they don't think it is suitable.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:41 pm 
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But does the council allow unlimited pubs?

I don't think a license has ever been refused on the grounds that there are already enough pubs in the licensed area although I know they'll refuse a license on the grounds of location if they don't think it is suitable.

That's just a play on words by licensing committee members!!!

Have you ever watched 'Yes Minister'?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:45 pm 
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All the above could be dealt with by new legislation.

But one has to remember what the remit of the Law Commission is i.e. to get rid of red-tape.

Your, not unreasonable, ideas increase it.

I thought the 'Red Tape Challenge' was a government idea.

And you believe that the 'Red Tape Challenge' is for real?

It's just governmental buzz words or phrases meant to make us feel good and worship them in awe.

Next you'll be telling us that Santa Claus and Cinderella are for real too.

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It's just governmental buzz words or phrases meant to make us feel good and worship them in awe.

Maybe, but I bet you a pound to a penny your proposals wont happen.

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Congestion and unnecessary air pollution; a very big concern in these times when 10,000,000,000,000 people will soon be on the planet.

Quite, but my point was what difference would it make to congestion and pollution if the driver of the withdrawn licence just goes and drives for someone else?
The bottom line is that there is one less vehicle.

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Yes, the market for the service, not for the providing of the service.

Eh?

You can't cite free markets in support of letting councillors decide the level of supply in the market.

It is the service to the public we are talking about; that's what HC and PH provide.

A grotesque oversupply of vehicles does not improve that service.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:53 pm 
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It's just governmental buzz words or phrases meant to make us feel good and worship them in awe.

Maybe, but I bet you a pound to a penny your proposals wont happen.

I would dearly like to see the abolition of vehicle transfers between proprietors.

And that in the long term would be beneficial to the trade IMHO.

It may not be beneficial to a minority of individuals though.

As for the variable licensing numbers; I'm assuming that all councils would act responsibly. Now I'm hoping!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
It is the service to the public we are talking about; that's what HC and PH provide.

A grotesque oversupply of vehicles does not improve that service.


I'd agree with that (or regarding drivers, more specifically), but if that's what the laws of supply and demand dictate then you can't interfere with it and then cite the laws of supply and demand in support #-o


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Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
It is the service to the public we are talking about; that's what HC and PH provide.

A grotesque oversupply of vehicles does not improve that service.


I'd agree with that (or regarding drivers, more specifically), but if that's what the laws of supply and demand dictate then you can't interfere with it and then cite the laws of supply and demand in support #-o

Go and apply for 40 chips shop or pub licences in one High Street and see what happens!!

Why shouldn't the same laws apply to our trades.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:14 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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It is the service to the public we are talking about; that's what HC and PH provide.

A grotesque oversupply of vehicles does not improve that service.


I'd agree with that (or regarding drivers, more specifically), but if that's what the laws of supply and demand dictate then you can't interfere with it and then cite the laws of supply and demand in support #-o

Go and apply for 40 chips shop or pub licences in one High Street and see what happens!!

Why shouldn't the same laws apply to our trades.


So you want to interfere with supply and demand - make up your mind :roll:


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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It is the service to the public we are talking about; that's what HC and PH provide.

A grotesque oversupply of vehicles does not improve that service.


I'd agree with that (or regarding drivers, more specifically), but if that's what the laws of supply and demand dictate then you can't interfere with it and then cite the laws of supply and demand in support #-o

Go and apply for 40 chips shop or pub licences in one High Street and see what happens!!

Why shouldn't the same laws apply to our trades.


To be fair regarding that particular scenerio you shouldn't really compare it with taxi licenses because taxis are mobile and chip shops are not. If the taxi license was to work a particular street then perhaps there would be good cause to restrict them but they aren't are they, they are for a whole licensed area. Pubs and the like are not mobile and should not be treated the same as a mobile business although I do know a casino license was refused on the Wirral in recent years because it was deemed that the one casino on the Wirral was sufficient to meet the areas demand :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:01 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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2. The prohibition of the transfer of vehicle licences from proprietor to proprietor, thereby truly making every vehicle licence the property of the issuing licensing authority.

Have no complaints with that. But I'm unsure how it could be done.

All the above could be dealt with by new legislation.


We have that in Scotland.
They just license in the name of a company to get round it. e.g. Edinburgh

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Have you been taking Hallucinogenic drugs?

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Spelling it with a capital 'H' would imply that you give such substances great reverence!!



Or perhaps I couldnt spell it :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:34 am 
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I thought the 'Red Tape Challenge' was a government idea.



Yes but the idea was to get rid of red tape....not add to it.

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Yes, the market for the service, not for the providing of the service.

The market for the service i.e. the punters is very much a free market that is to say that people can choose wether or not to use it

BUT the market of providing the service is NOT a free market it is controlled by many factors such as licensing policy , plate barons , or non economic factors such as religion/race when large numbers of people all insist in working in the same trade because then they are in the majority even though they are a minority in the UK as a whole

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