Some very interesting FoI stuff from the DfT

Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:11 pm

captain cab wrote:

But the DfT are a public body, so perhaps without taking minutes the reason for the meeting should be made public?

The reason for the meeting must be in-line with Mr BC's FoI request, else they wouldn't have given even the little info we see about it.

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:12 pm

captain cab wrote:

Sussex wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

But I did slip up badly the other day and if you are who I think you are,

He's not.

Back to the thread.

I don't for a second believe the secret meeting was between the DfT and an individual. In fact I would be amazed if an individual had a private meeting with DfT officials. No, this meeting was with an organisation and my money is on the Institute of Licensing.

However if it was an individual representing himself, then that person is fully entitled to a) have his/her view heard, and b) remain anon if they so wish.

That doesn't apply to an organisation, and any personal info could have be blanked out, as happened in some of your other FoI replies.

But the DfT are a public body, so perhaps without taking minutes the reason for the meeting should be made public?

CC

About governmental minutes and notes there is no finer example than the first below;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNKjShmHw7s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8keZbZL2ero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmOvEwtD ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhZRDoGZ ... ure=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRVvjGL2C0

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Dusty Bin wrote:

By the way, Brummie Cabbie, why don't YOU disclose your identity on here. :lol:

Probably for the same reason you and most on TDO don't disclose their identity.

Which is?

Quote:

But I did slip up badly the other day and if you are who I think you are, you already have the answer to your own question, or rather the question within your question.

And you accused me of being Rumsfeldian? :lol:

Dusty Bin · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:20 pm **Posts:** 3272

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Those are just views that can and have be expressed by many in the trade. Views to stimulate discussion. All relevant to the person making them and to all sane licensed people. What is ther not to discuss in that list? What is there in that list to get violent about?

Yes, but it's the insane licensed people that others have to worry about.

But on the whole I think you're either being a tad naive or disingenuous about these things.

Oh, and I forgot about the cross-border issue:

viewtopic.php?t=12854

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:18 pm

Dusty Bin wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Dusty Bin wrote:

By the way, Brummie Cabbie, why don't YOU disclose your identity on here. :lol:

Probably for the same reason you and most on TDO don't disclose their identity.

Which is?

Because most TDO members don't wish to disclose their identity.

And those that wish to disclose their identity to some TDO members do so and vica versa.

There are a few on TDO that know who I am and I know who they are.

Now your getting me to be Rumsfeldy.

Dusty Bin wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

But I did slip up badly the other day and if you are who I think you are, you already have the answer to your own question, or rather the question within your question.

And you accused me of being Rumsfeldian? :lol:

I did qualify that statement by writing, 'and if you are who I think you are'.

But that has now been discounted by another source in this thread.

And also, because of the wording of your reply you too have confirmed that you are not who I thought you were.

So as you are not who I thought you were, the statement I made does not apply to you.

The only way that the statement I made could have applied to you, is if you were indeed the person I thought you were.

But you're not, so the statement I made cannot, and does not apply to you.

And finally, if you haven't already guessed, the person who I thought you were does now know my identity.

Hence if you were that person, which you are not, you too would know my identity, but you don't, because you are not that person.

toots · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:30 pm

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Now your getting me to be Rumsfeldy

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know...... Donald Rumsfeld

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:34 pm

Dusty Bin wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Those are just views that can and have be expressed by many in the trade. Views to stimulate discussion. All relevant to the person making them and to all sane licensed people. What is ther not to discuss in that list? What is there in that list to get violent about?

Yes, but it's the insane licensed people that others have to worry about.

But on the whole I think you're either being a tad naive or disingenuous about these things.

Oh, and I forgot about the cross-border issue:

viewtopic.php?t=12854

I am not being naïve or disingenuous, I just don't share your views with regard to the picture you paint of licensed rampant psychotics in their thousands all wanting to fight, maim and kill throughout the land.

I just have not come across such a culture in the licensed taxi trade in nearly 40 years of service.

Just because I have not come across such an ethos does not mean that it does not exist, but I would hasten to add that those who pro-actively search out such a culture invariably find it on their doorstep very quickly indeed, whatever line of work they are in.

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:41 pm

toots wrote:

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Now your getting me to be Rumsfeldy

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know...... Donald Rumsfeld

I have the transcript of the whole speach on my computer.

NATO HQ, Brussels, 6th June 2002; Press Conference by US Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2002/s020606g.htm

He must be George W Bush's cousin!!

The best bit is when he finishes that part of the Q & A session with the statement, "It sounds like a riddle. It isn't a riddle. It is a very serious, important matter."

toots · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:55 pm

Quote:

"It sounds like a riddle. It isn't a riddle. It is a very serious, important matter."

I think that's on a par with "It's easier to get in to things than to get out of them"

gusmac · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:02 pm

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