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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 5:25 pm 
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perspective here please I must be reading a completely different summary to everyone else then because as i read it they are not abolishing the idea of local knowledge being a requirement of a license and this is only the law commissions reccommendations it is not guaranteed that parliament will adopt this

If I remember correctly there were a number of MP's against using the law commission in the first place

I think this needs to be read through carefully before any knee jerk reactions and id neccessary some properly set out arguments put together before any protests are started or the result will be very negative

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no you had a plate worth 30 k Now it's worth lot less!!


Soon be worth bugger all. :shock:

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Soon be worth bugger all. :shock:



He'll get the plate deposit back :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Whos to say this is all going ahead ? I seem to recal the oft report and a lot of it getting buried


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I seem to recal the oft report and a lot of it getting buried



Which bit ?

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perspective here please I must be reading a completely different summary to everyone else then because as i read it they are not abolishing the idea of local knowledge being a requirement of a license and this is only the law commissions reccommendations it is not guaranteed that parliament will adopt this

If I remember correctly there were a number of MP's against using the law commission in the first place

I think this needs to be read through carefully before any knee jerk reactions and id neccessary some properly set out arguments put together before any protests are started or the result will be very negative


I read it twice and it still says the same sh*te

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I read it twice and it still says the same sh*te



Thats a bit harsh, edders did his best :lol:

Only joking edders!!! :D

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:00 pm 
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The Law Commission proposals have caused quite a stir in the world of taxis it seems. Even the meanest taxi proprietor/employer has suddenly woken up to the fact that they are facing extinction if the LC get their way.

Blimey you read and digested that report quick. Or did you just go to the bits that related to taxi quotas. :roll: :roll:
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The days of the iconic Black Cab are numbered if you ask me, as the cheaper, free market friendly, profit making, more modern and forward thinking Private Hire Companies prepare to take the spoils.

I'm not sure an overpriced gas guzzling bowler hat could nor should ever be classed as iconic. Of course in 75% of the country the free market works for the taxi trade, and a lot of more modern and forward thinking taxi companies are already taking the spoils.
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All because, the Taxi Trade has had it so good for so long, that the trade representatives forgot to make plans for the future. Instead of looking forwards they got too comfortable and then all of the sudden, a dirty great pudd'n!

Your trade reps did indeed take their eye of the ball, and have spent the last few years filling their boots with training money.
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Fingers can be pointed and blame can be apportioned, I mean taking advice from and trusting Louise Ellman? Sheesh!

Last I heard of Louise she was chair of a committee that came to a conclusion that all licensed vehicles should be licensed by the area they predominately work in. I would have thought you would have welcomed that. For the record I did.
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But it is what it is and now the time has come for the Taxi Trade to act as it should have done years ago, by flexing its muscles on a national level, in rejection of the proposals that WILL destroy the trade.

What proposals? Or is it just the taxi quota one?
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Same Demo, Different City!
Every city stitched up at the same time. Simply, disable the country and tell the LC to stop interfering and start listening.
It can be done and frankly it has to be, or all is lost I fear.
I'm looking for feedback on this, so as to gauge opinion.
Will you fight?

I wish you well, but I have my doubts on the effectiveness of your cause, and your plan.

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the trouble is Ellman led us up the garden path and here we all are! At the gates of oblivion.

The T&G (Unite) opened Pandora's Box. That's where the blame starts and ends.

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I think this needs to be read through carefully before any knee jerk reactions and id neccessary some properly set out arguments put together before any protests are started or the result will be very negative

Well said.

The little bits I have read have been a mixed bag.

Or is it all a bag of Red Herrings? 8-[

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Whos to say this is all going ahead ? I seem to recal the oft report and a lot of it getting buried

It most certainly wont all go ahead, but most will.

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The little bits I have read have been a mixed bag.

Or is it all a bag of Red Herrings? 8-[

No - IT'S A CURATES EGG :lol:

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That article appeared on here and in taxitalk magazine well over a year ago


Yes, so at best 1% of the trade knew what was happening?


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:46 am 
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Yeah but I've been consistent Dusty :lol:

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The Casey Column

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Wayne Casey

[i]The views expressed in this column are not those of the National taxi Association



Peace in our time or the start of a slide into oblivion?

There was a meeting of the Law Commissions advisory group on 22nd November 2011. One could be mistaken, given the general feeling of euphoria coming from some, for having images of the 30th September 1938 on our minds. Good old Neville Chamberlain returning from a meeting in Germany, having signed the Munich agreement, declaring; ‘I believe it is peace in our time.’

Unfortunately the cab trade has never really had a journalist such as me. Yes, I overuse the expression ‘window licker’, and yes I am a tad opinionated, but I’m sorry to say, I tend to read thing s then form my own opinion. From what I’ve read, you are, in the words of the late Private Fraser (played by actor John Laurie) ‘Doomed’.

Harold Wilson once said 'a week is a long time in politics', well six months in taxi politics must seem like a millennia.

Six months ago a certain trade union were supporting the notion that licensing staff should have the power to issue ‘on the spot fines’ to drivers. Sadly, like with many things cab trade they didn’t actually think it through. This is quite scary don’t you think? Ideas are being proposed without anyone checking what would happen?

Well I did.

I said from the start it was ill conceived, although I think the actual words used were ‘effing stupid’. I have been proved to be correct. To issue these fines, a massive £200 fine I might add, the offences would have to be decriminalised. So in effect, the idea would have been no deterrent whatsoever. So, presumably after reading my thoughts, the union stopped supporting the proposal.

I think I’m getting cynical in my old age, while admittedly; my age does appear to be a score below the average age of the trade reps the law commissions’ advisory group. Even at my tender age, I can remember attending meetings where reps simply let their mouths run riot, if in doubt, make it up and carry on regardless.

Maybe it is an age thing, when most of these people grew up we were still perhaps going through rationing. I blame powdered eggs.

One rep quite rightly stated that a pre-booked market was positive for customer choice. Sadly, this reps union was the one who made all the carryings on about Sefton licensed PHV’s doing pre-booked work in Liverpool. Apparently, when the cab world is threatened, private hire doesn’t appear to be as bad as they originally thought? A Saul on the road to Damascus type of moment if I ever heard of one.

Whilst I thoroughly support the two tier form of licensing, I do despair at those sent to give a case for defending it. The words vested and interest cannot be too far away from anyone’s mouths, let alone the lips of the law commission. I get the uneasy feeling that all that happened on the 22nd November was give the law commission an idea of how people will answer certain questions in the looming consultation.

When I read private hire operators reps suggesting a single tier system ‘would lead to the collapse of the private hire industry and thus passengers’ ability to pre-book’. I do start to wonder about deploying the window licker argument. Because, unless that’s a complete and utter exaggeration we are being led to believe that virtually no other civilized country on this planet can order cabs via the telephone, including France.

When I read that representatives of a body such as the Institute of Licensing state licensing officers should be trained, full in the knowledge that they themselves run training courses for licensing officers, I do despair a little. Where was the questioning of this, where was the pointing out?

However, are the taxi trade aren’t so innocent themselves? Elements of the cab trade push these training courses equally as hard as those ‘nasty’ training companies. Perhaps a slight correction is in order, they push their own, impossible to fail, even if you’re a gibbering idiot, training courses as hard as those ‘nasty’ training companies.

It doesn’t come of too much a surprise that everyone is very much in favour of enforcement. What is surprising is the law commission don’t appear to want to grasp the nettle and look into how this enforcement is to be paid for. Am I the only person wondering why? These people are looking into taxi and private hire law, yet they don’t want to know how or if there will be enough money to enforce their new laws?

One rep suggested there was evidence that showed “deregulated areas with high standards were very successful in controlling numbers and congestion and ensuring a mixed fleet”. I can see that suggestion being taken on board. Amazingly this suggestion was not countered by anyone. I tell you what, why don’t we make it a condition that in order to get a cab proprietors license a person has to license a vehicle made of myrrh, that’ll control numbers, there wouldn’t be any cabs, but those numbers, boy, they’d be controlled.

These people are mad. I’m certain of it. Regrettably for the rest of you, if I think they’re all bonkers, god only knows what the law commission thought, I’d lay a wager on them having the place de-fumigated when everybody left though.

Surely I can’t have been the only person to notice how heavily influenced the initial briefing paper was? Yet we have the cab trade and elements of the private hire trade, running around shouting about peace in our time. I have a wake- up call. The taxi and PH won nothing on 22nd November, absolutely nothing, we are not even at the consultation stage yet.

All the Law Commission has to do is simply go away and work out counter arguments to those present offered in the meeting......shock horror....major fleet owners want absolute control over vehicle rents? Not so much an argument, as a statement of fact. Indeed, reading through the minutes there are so many contradictions it should be a quite simple job.

The cab trade better come up with something better.....and quick......the clock is ticking.

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Yeah but I've been consistent Dusty :lol:


And on that we can at least agree :D


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