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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:28 pm 
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Working in an area where numbers are not limited I am well aware of some of the more negative impacts of this. The question i would ask is if this is implemented would the government be willing to finance the increased costs of policing this or to compensate owners of taxis who would lose a lot of money as a result because I cannot see drivers taking this on the chin without sueing for compensation

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:41 pm 
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it'll be a big impact on drivers who are clearing say 500 after fuel expences weekly and after delimit they be clearing less than 300.
If there mortgage, bills, expences are based on 500 income then are the government going to help towards costs when driver earning less than 300?


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:47 pm 
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Working in an area where numbers are not limited I am well aware of some of the more negative impacts of this. The question i would ask is if this is implemented would the government be willing to finance the increased costs of policing this or to compensate owners of taxis who would lose a lot of money as a result because I cannot see drivers taking this on the chin without sueing for compensation



It was answered in one of the deregulation court cases......either the Yarmouth or the Wirral one, basically the judge stated before 1985 buying a plate was more or less an investment.....but the 1985 transport act was deregulatory, so things changed and it was then a gamble.

So if you held a plate pre 1985 you may have a case for compo....after that.....no.

TBH I'm actually quite pleased nobody got around to mentioning the deregulation which is a trade splitting argument as we are all aware. I'm please TDO members are seemingly concentrating on the schoolgirl errors of the document.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:57 pm 
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8.32 Quantity controls also artificially increase barriers to entry for would-be taxi drivers who are unable to enter the sector. This contrasts with the private hire sector which has relatively low barriers to entry and no numerical restrictions. Most licensing authorities have removed quantity controls for taxis and, where they are in place, the danger of regulatory capture is significant. This is a distortion that can lead to adverse outcomes for both consumer and industry.



Another schoolgirl error.

Quantity control has never been a barrier of entry for a would be taxi-driver.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 8:07 pm 
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8.34 We also note that the current statutory criterion for imposing quantity controls, based on the concept of “unmet demand”, and the practice of carrying out specified surveys to support these are burdensome, costly and of doubtful utility.


This actually shows a complete ignorance of the useful purpose of surveys other then the one of assessing demand.

I believe we should have these surveys irrespective of taxi numbers being decided.

Perhaps the LC should investigate the cost benefits of local transport plans, because they cost a damn side more and in most instances are nothing more than a talking shop and expenses magnet for feckwitted councillors.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:02 pm 
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8.32 Quantity controls also artificially increase barriers to entry for would-be taxi drivers who are unable to enter the sector. This contrasts with the private hire sector which has relatively low barriers to entry and no numerical restrictions. Most licensing authorities have removed quantity controls for taxis and, where they are in place, the danger of regulatory capture is significant. This is a distortion that can lead to adverse outcomes for both consumer and industry.



Another schoolgirl error.

Quantity control has never been a barrier of entry for a would be taxi-driver.


Why?


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:05 pm 
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Why?


Do I have to explain that wee mistake to a chap with the experience of your good self?

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:13 pm 
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OK, rather than go round the houses I'll assume you're alluding to the fact that driver numbers aren't limited?

However, non-plate-holding drivers either pay an inflated premium for a licence or an inflated rental for the same, thus a barrier to entry either way. [-(

By the way, can't be bothered looking, but I take it then LC hasn't committed the schoolgirl error of using the misleading regulation/deregulation terminology :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:19 pm 
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OK, rather than go round the houses I'll assume you're alluding to the fact that driver numbers aren't limited?

However, non-plate-holding drivers either pay an inflated premium for a licence or an inflated rental for the same, thus a barrier to entry either way. [-(

By the way, can't be bothered looking, but I take it then LC hasn't committed the schoolgirl error of using the misleading regulation/deregulation terminology :wink:



Well its reasonably obvious they failed to recognise the difference between a hackney carriage proprietors license, which in some areas are restricted in number, and hackney carriage drivers licenses, which arent restricted anywhere.

Of course, we'll allow that minor error, alongside the minor error with penalty points and driver sanctions from LO's who all have delegated powers, alongside the minor error of a missing £1 Billion, put that alongside the assumption based around tachnology acrtually changing the need for operator licensing, and of course their initial goal of reducing burdensome legislation....by suggesting those nasty wedding cars and funeral directors are licensed.

But apart from that....they're doing fine :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:53 pm 
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Well its reasonably obvious they failed to recognise the difference between a hackney carriage proprietors license, which in some areas are restricted in number, and hackney carriage drivers licenses, which arent restricted anywhere.


But strictly speaking the part you highlighted above isn't incorrect, as per the point I made earlier.

More generally I would agree with you however. But perhaps this is because they've been reading your column and indeed just about every pro-restricted number piece ever written, which fail to make the distinction you're now trying to highlight.

Thus OK when it suits?

And you're also unwittingly highlighting a major deficiency in the SUD survey methodology, again demonstrating that highlighting the driver/proprietor distinction is OK when it suits?

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Of course, we'll allow that minor error, alongside the minor error with penalty points and driver sanctions from LO's who all have delegated powers, alongside the minor error of a missing £1 Billion, put that alongside the assumption based around tachnology acrtually changing the need for operator licensing, and of course their initial goal of reducing burdensome legislation....by suggesting those nasty wedding cars and funeral directors are licensed.

But apart from that....they're doing fine :lol


Well I'm inclined to agree with you from what I've seen so far, but I can't be bothered reading it all on screen and printing it out would cost a fortune.

But I was half expecting an OFT 2, and that looks like what it's shaping up to be.


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But strictly speaking the part you highlighted above isn't incorrect, as per the point I made earlier.

More generally I would agree with you however. But perhaps this is because they've been reading your column and indeed just about every pro-restricted number piece ever written, which fail to make the distinction you're now trying to highlight.

Thus OK when it suits?

And you're also unwittingly highlighting a major deficiency in the SUD survey methodology, again demonstrating that highlighting the driver/proprietor distinction is OK when it suits?


I dont follow what you mean tbh

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Well I'm inclined to agree with you from what I've seen so far, but I can't be bothered reading it all on screen and printing it out would cost a fortune.

But I was half expecting an OFT 2, and that looks like what it's shaping up to be.


a man of your money should be able to spend £38.50p on a shiny copy.....and again, the document isnt flawed because of its attitude to taxi numbers.....its flawed because its sh*te

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 10:10 pm 
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a man of your money should be able to spend £38.50p on a shiny copy


Well I certainly wouldn't claim that, at least if you want to retain any credibility at all :wink:


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a man of your money should be able to spend £38.50p on a shiny copy


Well I certainly wouldn't claim that, at least if you want to retain any credibility at all :wink:



Oh they sent me a nice shiny courtesy copy....presumably they want it demolished? :lol:

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a man of your money should be able to spend £38.50p on a shiny copy


Well I certainly wouldn't claim that, at least if you want to retain any credibility at all :wink:

didn't you apply for one free as a stake holder

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didn't you apply for one free as a stake holder


he's a vampire killer too? man of many talents

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