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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:38 pm 
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also thier "cabs" don't have the tariff as set by thier licensing authority, they have the local 001 ph tariff.

Are you saying their taximeters are set at the PH tariff for 001 and not the tariff as set for HCs in the area they are licensed in, or are you just saying they charge the 001 mileage rates?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:32 pm 
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For sure the local ph tariff...


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
That's as may be, but the honeypot syndrome will still prevail.


No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but Brighton and Hove used to be two separate areas as far as licensing was concerned.

Now since B&H is effectively one city you can see the nonsense of not allowing cross-border PH operations, and how inefficient that would be.

So the two areas were amalgamated, and of course it was argued that central Brighton would be the honeypot and Hove would be ignored, but that didn't happen.

So it makes sense to treat B&H as a single entity.

I suspect it was a largely similar problem that resulted in the Shanks case, but I'm not too familiar with the Tyneside geographay. However, looking at the map there's clearly a big conurbation with but with several different LAs covering the area, thus not the most efficient scenario for cab licensing purposes.

Thus the difficulty is getting the balance right between licensing authority areas that can maximise efficiency on the one hand, and a national free for all on the other.

Of course, from the LC's perspective they're stuck with the current LA structure, so because there's no chance of a middle way instead they have to go the full hog and thus a national free-for-all, effectively.

Not saying that's how they approached it, but if licensing borders were constructed with cab markets in mind rather than sometimes residing in ancient history then perhaps the current problems wouldn't have arisen.


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Dusty Bin wrote:

Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?


Except for the fact what they suggested in respect of enforcement costs :shock:

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Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?


Except for the fact what they suggested in respect of enforcement costs :shock:

I suspect enforcement costs will be met by the council in the same way they meet other licensing costs i.e. liquor.

Thus it shouldn't have an effect on our fees.

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Dusty Bin wrote:

Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?


Except for the fact what they suggested in respect of enforcement costs :shock:

I suspect enforcement costs will be met by the council in the same way they meet other licensing costs i.e. liquor.

Thus it shouldn't have an effect on our fees.


How is that?

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How is that?

A booze license fee is set far below the actual rate that it costs to administer and enforce.

So the bill is met by the council tax payer, and why not?

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Sussex wrote:
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How is that?

A booze license fee is set far below the actual rate that it costs to administer and enforce.

So the bill is met by the council tax payer, and why not?


So hows about a little honesty from the LC then?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I believe their thinking is, if they are going to allow PH to be licensed anywhere and work anywhere, which is their current thinking, then why shouldn't HC be allowed to do the same for pre-bookings only, but not for plying the streets.

Well I hope they have the enforcement to back the mad scheme up otherwise there'll be taxis from all over the place plying for hire :roll: Not to mention the ph that will ply for hire as well

I'll work down the Smoke at the weekends and if I earn half the money Mr GBC does then I'll be well happy and that will do me for the week.

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187ums wrote:
For sure the local ph tariff...

That, I think is illegal.

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Sussex wrote:
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How is that?

A booze license fee is set far below the actual rate that it costs to administer and enforce.

So the bill is met by the council tax payer, and why not?


One could ask why should the tax payer pay for it? If businesses are making profits from their licenses then they should pay imo

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toots wrote:
Sussex wrote:
toots wrote:
How is that?

A booze license fee is set far below the actual rate that it costs to administer and enforce.

So the bill is met by the council tax payer, and why not?


One could ask why should the tax payer pay for it? If businesses are making profits from their licenses then they should pay imo

Sussex is very misleading as per usual ,councils cannot charge more than a certain amount for Pub and club licences, so the departments have to work within the Revenue received .....

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Sussex is very misleading as per usual ,councils cannot charge more than a certain amount for Pub and club licences, so the departments have to work within the Revenue received .....


So in effect if they do not receive enough revenue there will be little or no enforcement?

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Sussex is very misleading as per usual ,councils cannot charge more than a certain amount for Pub and club licences, so the departments have to work within the Revenue received .....


So in effect if they do not receive enough revenue there will be little or no enforcement?

yes or they will combine hackney and private hire licensing in with the same department and supplement their income .....which we know is illegal

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MR T wrote:
toots wrote:
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Sussex is very misleading as per usual ,councils cannot charge more than a certain amount for Pub and club licences, so the departments have to work within the Revenue received .....

So in effect if they do not receive enough revenue there will be little or no enforcement?

yes or they will combine hackney and private hire licensing in with the same department and supplement their income .....which we know is illegal

It might well be illegal under the current legislation, but after they draft the new Act and it becomes law, who knows what it might come up with.

But I won't be holding my breath.

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