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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:09 am 
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By the way, the taxi vehicle retailer who had the Eureka! moment regarding restricted numbers wouldn't be Donald Pow of Allied Vehicles, perchance?

It's perhaps worth recalling that he made some pretty ropey statements at the Advisory Group meeting towards the end of last year:

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1.81 Donald Pow (DoP) felt that training was very important. He recognised that one style of vehicle would not suit all disabled passengers. He raised concern that very particular technical conditions led to a restricted market and limited the diversity and range of vehicles available. This tied in with the themes of equality and safety.


Ah, so a restricted market is bad when it suits Allied, but good when it, er, suits Allied #-o

And restricted numbers ties in with the theme of equality, eh?

Perhaps the Allied Vehicles motto goes something like:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Unless, of course, you're a cab driver and need "protecting from yourself". :roll:


Anyway, Mr Pow continued:

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DoP felt that the public was served not only by the number of vehicles but also by the quality of the fleet. He believed this to be higher in restricted areas.


Like Blackpool? :roll:

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Restrictions led to greater confidence in business models and guaranteed reasonable earnings.


'Business' models?

'Excess profits' is a maybe the phrase he's looking for. :roll:

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De-regulation could also have a negative impact on supply in the night-time economy as there would be fewer PHVs.


But none of them want to work the streets anyway :roll:

And is this another version of the derestriction-means-less-cabs-but-we'll-all-go-bankrupt-anyway argument? :roll:

Or perhaps he's one of those who thinks HCs don't do pre-booked work? :roll:

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VSH asked whether this could be countered by setting high standards. DoP felt that it was preferable for the market to lead standards.


Eh? So he's advocating distorting the market numbers-wise and then he's saying the free market should lead standards? :roll:

And of course if standards were left to the market then Allied wouldn't sell many WAVs anyway. Except for in Sefton and Blackpool, obviously :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:12 am 
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Hi Mr Percival, I'm Kags from the Wirral, please don't derestrict, there's too many taxis you know, and some people need protecting from themselves, cos I know better than them. In fact reminds me of the time I said that the trade suited me because it's flexible and I can fit it round my other several sources of income, but please don't let other drivers who rely on the trade for a living have a taxi if they want one, because they'll just cherrypick when they want to work, and they need protecting from themselves you know.

And as I said, there's too many taxis, but I know a nice man from Sefton called Trevor who has a fleet, and instead of drivers running their own taxi if it suits them they can go to Trev and get a drive there and pay him his inflated rentals, because remember if they drove for themselves there'd be too many taxis and they need protecting from themselves, ideally by driving a taxi for the selfless and benevolent Trev. And anyway, allowing drivers the choice to work for themselves would amount to controlling peoples' lives and be like the Third Reich, innit?

And don't forget that if anyone disagrees with this then they can't be a real taxi driver, in fact he'll probably be a child pretending to be an adult whose Daddy in fact drives a PHV, thus clearly not a real taxi driver at all and needs to grow up a bit.


Now you posted this at 9. 53 before I had even made reference to some of the contends at 10.17 has TDO now become capable of time travel


ESP, innit? :D

But thanks for repeating it, since it's well worth another read, even though I say so myself [-(


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:17 am 
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Hi Mr Percival, I'm Kags from the Wirral, please don't derestrict, there's too many taxis you know, and some people need protecting from themselves, cos I know better than them. In fact reminds me of the time I said that the trade suited me because it's flexible and I can fit it round my other several sources of income, but please don't let other drivers who rely on the trade for a living have a taxi if they want one, because they'll just cherrypick when they want to work, and they need protecting from themselves you know.

And as I said, there's too many taxis, but I know a nice man from Sefton called Trevor who has a fleet, and instead of drivers running their own taxi if it suits them they can go to Trev and get a drive there and pay him his inflated rentals, because remember if they drove for themselves there'd be too many taxis and they need protecting from themselves, ideally by driving a taxi for the selfless and benevolent Trev. And anyway, allowing drivers the choice to work for themselves would amount to controlling peoples' lives and be like the Third Reich, innit?

And don't forget that if anyone disagrees with this then they can't be a real taxi driver, in fact he'll probably be a child pretending to be an adult whose Daddy in fact drives a PHV, thus clearly not a real taxi driver at all and needs to grow up a bit.


Now you posted this at 9. 53 before I had even made reference to some of the contends at 10.17 has TDO now become capable of time travel


ESP, innit? :D

But thanks for repeating it, since it's well worth another read, even though I say so myself [-(

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:33 am 
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MR T wrote:
Altering posts does not add to your credibility


I added a bit to my own post, and I can't see what that's got to do with my credibility. #-o

But perhaps this demonstrates that you're a bit sensitive regarding your comment about the Third Reich and how that affects your credibility. And ditto Toots and her comment about drivers "needing to be protected from themselves"? :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:23 am 
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I added a bit to my own post, and I can't see what that's got to do with my credibility

You wouldn't....... but you didn't give her the chance to reply.... doing it behind her back was not nice
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But perhaps this demonstrates that you're a bit sensitive regarding your comment about the Third Reich and how that affects your credibility. And ditto Toots and her comment about drivers "needing to be protected from themselves"?

I don't understand why I should be sensitive making that comparison....... but it does seem to be haunting you.

but at least you owned up

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:59 am 
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We have the baton!!

The LC are shoving it up your arse :lol:

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Hi Mr Percival, I'm Kags from the Wirral, please don't derestrict, there's too many taxis you know, and some people need protecting from themselves, cos I know better than them. In fact reminds me of the time I said that the trade suited me because it's flexible and I can fit it round my other several sources of income, but please don't let other drivers who rely on the trade for a living have a taxi if they want one, because they'll just cherrypick when they want to work, and they need protecting from themselves you know.

And as I said, there's too many taxis, but I know a nice man from Sefton called Trevor who has a fleet, and instead of drivers running their own taxi if it suits them they can go to Trev and get a drive there and pay him his inflated rentals, because remember if they drove for themselves there'd be too many taxis and they need protecting from themselves, ideally by driving a taxi for the selfless and benevolent Trev. And anyway, allowing drivers the choice to work for themselves would amount to controlling peoples' lives and be like the Third Reich, innit?

And don't forget that if anyone disagrees with this then they can't be a real taxi driver, in fact he'll probably be a child pretending to be an adult whose Daddy in fact drives a PHV, thus clearly not a real taxi driver at all and needs to grow up a bit.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:55 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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you don't recognise your obsession with controlling other people's lives

Yes, instead you no doubt subscribe to the Toots perspective that drivers "need protecting from themselves".

By your logic, if you were a slavemaster and William Wilberforce was proposing the abolition of slavery you'd accuse him of "an obsession with controlling other peoples lives" and of a "Third Reich" attitude. :roll:

(OK, Wilberforce was years before Nazism, but you get my drift :D )

What about the slavery of the PH Operator?

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Dusty Bin wrote:
By the way, the taxi vehicle retailer who had the Eureka! moment regarding restricted numbers wouldn't be Donald Pow of Allied Vehicles, perchance?

It's perhaps worth recalling that he made some pretty ropey statements at the Advisory Group meeting towards the end of last year:

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1.81 Donald Pow (DoP) felt that training was very important. He recognised that one style of vehicle would not suit all disabled passengers. He raised concern that very particular technical conditions led to a restricted market and limited the diversity and range of vehicles available. This tied in with the themes of equality and safety.


Ah, so a restricted market is bad when it suits Allied, but good when it, er, suits Allied #-o

And restricted numbers ties in with the theme of equality, eh?

Perhaps the Allied Vehicles motto goes something like:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Unless, of course, you're a cab driver and need "protecting from yourself". :roll:


Anyway, Mr Pow continued:

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DoP felt that the public was served not only by the number of vehicles but also by the quality of the fleet. He believed this to be higher in restricted areas.


Like Blackpool? :roll:

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Restrictions led to greater confidence in business models and guaranteed reasonable earnings.


'Business' models?

'Excess profits' is a maybe the phrase he's looking for. :roll:

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De-regulation could also have a negative impact on supply in the night-time economy as there would be fewer PHVs.


But none of them want to work the streets anyway :roll:

And is this another version of the derestriction-means-less-cabs-but-we'll-all-go-bankrupt-anyway argument? :roll:

Or perhaps he's one of those who thinks HCs don't do pre-booked work? :roll:

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VSH asked whether this could be countered by setting high standards. DoP felt that it was preferable for the market to lead standards.


Eh? So he's advocating distorting the market numbers-wise and then he's saying the free market should lead standards? :roll:

And of course if standards were left to the market then Allied wouldn't sell many WAVs anyway. Except for in Sefton and Blackpool, obviously :D

Well that was a completely wasted post!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:18 pm 
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NB to self: Please don't try and be a little sarcastic cos some on here clearly don't have a sense of humour and may well take words such as 'drivers need protecting from themselves' as a serious comment :roll:

With regards to the drivers not wanting to invest in a £30k WAV so they can pick up from the ranks even tho they may not want to they are clearly not the ones that need protecting from themselves :lol: they already realise it's a fruitless exercise and they'll still be tied to ph circuit that they've just tried to escape from and they know that their customers prefer saloons.

When I refer to not giving a feck that is purely from a personal point of view, I don't need to give a feck cos I can always earn a decent living doing something else, not everybody is able to do that and I do care whether drivers are able to earn a decent living, even if it does mean they have to rent a vehicle in much the same way as one may need to rent a shop, which is why I have the stance I have regarding restriction. De-restriction was one of the worse decisions our council made imo and had a bad effect on the ability of drivers to earn a living not long after it happened, top that with a recession and things are now really quite bad for all the drivers and no doubt there are a lot that are taking risks, be that with the long hours they work or putting off maintenance on their vehicles.

With the LC plans to derestrict everywhere and lowering standards for ph and not really giving much by way of enforcement I think it's a bloody marvelous idea :roll:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
What about the slavery of the PH Operator?


What about it?


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I added a bit to my own post, and I can't see what that's got to do with my credibility

You wouldn't....... but you didn't give her the chance to reply.... doing it behind her back was not nice
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But perhaps this demonstrates that you're a bit sensitive regarding your comment about the Third Reich and how that affects your credibility. And ditto Toots and her comment about drivers "needing to be protected from themselves"?

I don't understand why I should be sensitive making that comparison....... but it does seem to be haunting you.

but at least you owned up


Don't quite get your point, but if it makes you happy then I'll repeat the post again to make sure the chronology is unimpeachable :D


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Can just imagine you meeting the LC at Coventry, Toots.

:D wrote:
Hi Mr Percival, I'm Kags from the Wirral, please don't derestrict, there's too many taxis you know, and some people need protecting from themselves, cos I know better than them. In fact reminds me of the time I said that the trade suited me because it's flexible and I can fit it round my other several sources of income, but please don't let other drivers who rely on the trade for a living have a taxi if they want one, because they'll just cherrypick when they want to work, and they need protecting from themselves you know.

And as I said, there's too many taxis, but I know a nice man from Sefton called Trevor who has a fleet, and instead of drivers running their own taxi if it suits them they can go to Trev and get a drive there and pay him his inflated rentals, because remember if they drove for themselves there'd be too many taxis and they need protecting from themselves, ideally by driving a taxi for the selfless and benevolent Trev. And anyway, allowing drivers the choice to work for themselves would amount to controlling peoples' lives and be like the Third Reich, innit?

And don't forget that if anyone disagrees with this then they can't be a real taxi driver, in fact he'll probably be a child pretending to be an adult whose Daddy in fact drives a PHV, thus clearly not a real taxi driver at all and needs to grow up a bit.


:D :D :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Well that was a completely wasted post!!


On the contrary, since you said nothing to doubt the substance and merely immaturely quoted the whole post just to add a few words then I suspect my points were bang on, irrespective of whether this mysterious vehicle dealer that you cited earlier was or wasn't Mr Pow and/or Allied Vehicles.

But presumably it was all meant to be said in secret anyway or you would have named names 8-[


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NB to self: Please don't try and be a little sarcastic cos some on here clearly don't have a sense of humour and may well take words such as 'drivers need protecting from themselves' as a serious comment :roll:


So it's taken you all night to come up with that excuse?

But for anyone not very good at humour and whose offerings may be misconstrued, that's what the smilies are for :D

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With regards to the drivers not wanting to invest in a £30k WAV so they can pick up from the ranks even tho they may not want to they are clearly not the ones that need protecting from themselves :lol: they already realise it's a fruitless exercise and they'll still be tied to ph circuit that they've just tried to escape from and they know that their customers prefer saloons.


Yes, that much is obvious, but - and I don't know how many times this needs repeating - the point originally was about a one-tier system. There was no impediment in terms of different PH/HC barriers to entry.

As per another recent post, I was looking in that old Advisory Group thread for Mr Allied Vehicles' comments and came across that bit where you simply couldn't/wouldn't recognise that some restricted areas could be more or less tightly restricted than others. This kind of reminds me of that ](*,)


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