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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:12 am 
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More on those National Standards;

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7.18 If quality regulation is not justified in respect of private hire vehicles, there would seem to be two consequences. First, customers are potentially being prevented from choosing to pay a discounted price for a scruffy but safe private hire vehicle. In a competitive market, there seems no reason to prevent consumers making that choice. Many markets for personal services have a discounted bottom-end, which generally serves a purpose. Whether there would in fact be effective demand for such services we do not know, but there does not seem to be any reason why the state should exclude the possibility, provided that customers who want higher quality standards can effectively procure them. Our working hypothesis is that the pre-booked market is sufficiently competitive to allow for that.

7.19 The second point is that it may well be that the market would, generally, set a higher standard of quality than that required by the existing quality conditions. We are not aware of any empirical evidence one way or the other, and would be grateful if we could be provided with any. But if that were the case, then the whole process of setting conditions (and “enforcing” them) is misplaced and wasteful, and could sensibly be dispensed with.



In order for the free market to work correctly; the national standard will be scruffy but safe.

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:35 am 
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What minimum standards do you refer to - the LC's secret ones or the standards some LA's have in place around the country right now?

The ones that the Freight Transport Association published in about 2007/2008 will do for me thank you!!

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:40 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The ones that the Freight Transport Association published in about 2007/2008 will do for me thank you!!


Yes I know they'll do for you, but your say in the matter will be about the same as mine. The national maximum standards for private hire need to be determined by the market that is the rationale of the LC document.

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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More on those National Standards;

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7.18 If quality regulation is not justified in respect of private hire vehicles, there would seem to be two consequences. First, customers are potentially being prevented from choosing to pay a discounted price for a scruffy but safe private hire vehicle. In a competitive market, there seems no reason to prevent consumers making that choice. Many markets for personal services have a discounted bottom-end, which generally serves a purpose. Whether there would in fact be effective demand for such services we do not know, but there does not seem to be any reason why the state should exclude the possibility, provided that customers who want higher quality standards can effectively procure them. Our working hypothesis is that the pre-booked market is sufficiently competitive to allow for that.

7.19 The second point is that it may well be that the market would, generally, set a higher standard of quality than that required by the existing quality conditions. We are not aware of any empirical evidence one way or the other, and would be grateful if we could be provided with any. But if that were the case, then the whole process of setting conditions (and “enforcing” them) is misplaced and wasteful, and could sensibly be dispensed with.

In order for the free market to work correctly; the national standard will be scruffy but safe.

What I'd like to know is can we have a scruffy but safe bunch of Law Commissioners, so that this whole charabanc of a project can cost a mere pittance of what it is likely to cost?

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
What I'd like to know is can we have a scruffy but safe bunch of Law Commissioners, so that this whole charabanc of a project can cost a mere pittance of what it is likely to cost?



pmsl :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:13 pm 
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I think one of the failures of the LC was not to interject some new thinking into taxi licensing.

They effectively state that they dont think locals are best placed to decide private hire licensing....by pushing the pseudo national licensing scheme - yet leave taxi licensing to local authorities - save for numbers controls.

I think locals have very probably been proved to be unfit to determine all manner of things when it comes to taxi and private hire licensing;

This comes in numerous examples;

The pilfering of licensing funds by (I would suggest) the majority of local councils; proven specifically in the Guildford case and the ongoing situation in Manchester - the audit commission are an over worked bunch - but I would suspect they would find money going missing in many council licensing accounts.

The licenses for cash allegations in Trafford are not by any means unique - we are aware of allegations elsewhere in the North West.

The testing of vehicles not being outsourced in many areas - which in effect subsidise local authority garages.

The fact that places like Gelding and Rossendale (and a few more) still license vehicles and drivers they know they wont ever see ply for hire within their areas.

I could mention a few more points - but the LC's seeming loyalty to local authorities - despite the evidence they appear to employ a selection of halfwits to do taxi licensing is quite bizarre.......sadly the same halfwits will still do the licensing function whatever the LC come up with......and you people will be left with the same sh*te - but worse.

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:27 pm 
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captain cab wrote:

I could mention a few more points - but the LC's seeming loyalty to local authorities - despite the evidence they appear to employ a selection of halfwits to do taxi licensing is quite bizarre.......sadly the same halfwits will still do the licensing function whatever the LC come up with......and you people will be left with the same sh*te - but worse.


Er, weren't you the one always banging the 'councils know best' drum?


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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Er, weren't you the one always banging the 'councils know best' drum?


No.....I said locals :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:47 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:

Er, weren't you the one always banging the 'councils know best' drum?


No.....I said locals :wink:


Depending on what they come up with, of course :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:59 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Depending on what they come up with, of course :wink:



yeah.....serving the public will do for a start.....unless you want to debate your free market approach....which isnt that free because it involves PH spivs

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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MY free market approach? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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Dusty Bin wrote:
MY free market approach? :lol:



Ahhh.....so your secretly like controls.....very good, you hide that well :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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captain cab wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
MY free market approach? :lol:



Ahhh.....so your secretly like controls.....very good, you hide that well :lol:


Quality controls, innit? :D


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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Quality controls, innit? :D



that'll never do.....the public aint bothered, they like cheap and cheerful :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: LC; Genuine Fears
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Dusty Bin wrote:
MY free market approach? :lol:

It is nice to see you welcoming all your brothers from Europe ... free-market.

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