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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:56 pm 
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Personally I don't think there should 100% anything I much prefer a mixed fleet


So would you be so keen if you were a HC driver forced to run a more expensive WAV in a largely saloon area who has to sit on a rank while a stream of people walk past to get into a saloon?

Never mind though, there'll be a wheelchair along in a couple of hours, and the driver can then spend another unpaid twenty minutes loading it up to go RTFC. :-|


I wouldn't buy a WAV period but I guess I wouldn't be happy about it. The idea of the mixed fleet is to enable customrs to choose what they want for whatever reason and of course no system is perfect, there clearly should be something in place to compensate those drivers that choose to buy a WAV for whatever reason

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:57 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Personally I don't think there should 100% anything I much prefer a mixed fleet


So would you be so keen if you were a HC driver forced to run a more expensive WAV in a largely saloon area who has to sit on a rank while a stream of people walk past to get into a saloon?

Never mind though, there'll be a wheelchair along in a couple of hours, and the driver can then spend another unpaid twenty minutes loading it up to go RTFC. :-|

Or what about a when theres saloons on the rank and the mother with the pushchair walks past them,or the 5 people.Or picture this if you can dusty,your driving along in your mondeo and im behind and guess which one the punter puts his hand up for ? :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:59 pm 
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Or what about a when theres saloons on the rank and the mother with the pushchair walks past them,or the 5 people :D

It does happen, but from a radio firm perspective, we must get hundreds more anti WAV requests compared to anti saloon requests.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:04 pm 
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So you think the Equality Act will effectively be scrapped then?

The % bit wont be enacted ever if taxi quotas go, as the % only applies to restricted areas.


Ah, of course I was kind of assuming that restricted numbers would stay :oops:

Of course, since the EA is on the statue book then the saloon areas could have a mixed fleet before the LC's proposals become law? Problem solved. :roll:

What a freakin mess. ](*,)

I could still see more areas going 100% WAV though, since that would be one way to keep the derestricted numbers under control.

I just can't see any prospect of reducing WAV provision in any area.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:05 pm 
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I understand that and thats where different places differ.We have a lot of 5 and 6 seater jobs here.You can put saloon or wav on and the vast majority choose wav


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:22 am 
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One has to wonder of the 58.4% taxis that are WAVs what % of their work does actually require a WAV? Just a thought

In the last 25 months my percentage of wheelchair user passengers is 0.00%.

Ive had several wheelchair users, none of them needed or wanted a vehicle where they would remain in their chair to travel, and from my observations those few that do travel in their chair always seem to travel cut price courtesy of the volunteer brigade who can always seem to be able to afford new or nearly new WAV VW transporters with fancy electronic lifts.

Seems unfair that operators are expected to supply similar high cost vehicles out of their own pockets and not from a charity fund like the volunteers.

My answer was in relation to wheelchair users that needed or had to stay in their wheelchairs to travel.

I too have had several wheelchair users that could transfer to a fixed seat in the cab over the last 25 months.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:26 am 
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Ball park figure from the back of a fag packet, £6K per annum should cover it.

Maybe a reduced fuel duty would help a bit.

No VAT on the purchase of WAV vehicles would help even more.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:47 pm 
If this is all about customer choice then chalk this one down

Able bodied ppl hate WAV's

WC bound ppl have no choice

WC but can get out of it hate WAV's


And how can anyone expect someone to spend £35k TAP on a vehicle to ferry ppl around for £3.50p once an hour.


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And how can anyone expect someone to spend £35k TAP on a vehicle to ferry ppl around for £3.50p once an hour.

They shouldn't.

However many WAV jobs are highly lucrative, and, as I keep banging on about, you can buy a crash tested whole type approved WAV for under £17,000 from the Cab Direct.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:59 pm 
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And how can anyone expect someone to spend £35k TAP on a vehicle to ferry ppl around for £3.50p once an hour.

They shouldn't.

However many WAV jobs are highly lucrative, and, as I keep banging on about, you can buy a crash tested whole type approved WAV for under £17,000 from the Cab Direct.


That is of course if your LA allow such vehicles

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:28 pm 
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That is of course if your LA allow such vehicles

Of course, but if councils want to go higher than the standard set by the Secretary of State, then one assumes they will have to have good reason.

Asking drivers to pay double the price for a gas guzzling rust bucket, will be a hard thing to justify.

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That is of course if your LA allow such vehicles

Of course, but if councils want to go higher than the standard set by the Secretary of State, then one assumes they will have to have good reason.

Asking drivers to pay double the price for a gas guzzling rust bucket, will be a hard thing to justify.

Never stopped them before :sad:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:17 pm 
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Of course, but if councils want to go higher than the standard set by the Secretary of State, then one assumes they will have to have good reason.


One shouldn't assume anything

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:29 pm 
Sussex wrote:
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And how can anyone expect someone to spend £35k TAP on a vehicle to ferry ppl around for £3.50p once an hour.

They shouldn't.

However many WAV jobs are highly lucrative, and, as I keep banging on about, you can buy a crash tested whole type approved WAV for under £17,000 from the Cab Direct.



Shouldn't the paying public have the choice to sit as a person in a car rather than as a tool box in a van, I accept we need WAV's and that ain't a problem, what is is if everyone gets one then the advantage of having one is lost and you simply have higher outgoings with no bunk the queue advantage to call on, that 17k effort won't get licenced here as a WC spec vehicle, they are required to be full HC spec rather than a converted SUV, PH would be allowed one but not HC.


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Doom wrote:
Shouldn't the paying public have the choice to sit as a person in a car rather than as a tool box in a van,

Possibly, but that's not the thrust of this debate. This is all about the costs of WAVs, and that now can be lower than a Mondeo.

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