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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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Personally I think in your area you have improved things for the trade but not necessarily for the customer :wink:

Well personally I don't think quotas are good for punters, so on that issue I agree with you viewpoint, however what other things do we have down here that's detrimental for punters?

If it's fares then I must be the luckiest driver the world has seen, cos no-one ever moans about the price.

Sussex... don't you charge the same rate

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:46 pm 
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I don't think quotas are bad for punters and they certainly don't raise the prices.

So plate premiums are funded by the fairies? :?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Sussex... don't you will charge the same rate

Yes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:55 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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Sussex... don't you will charge the same rate

Yes.

that should have read..... don't you all charges the same rates

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:03 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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How do these plate barons act?

Bully, threat, lie, to name just three.

Sussex wrote:
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I don't think quotas are bad for punters and they certainly don't raise the prices.

So plate premiums are funded by the fairies? :?

Plate premiums, PH operator barons - what's the kcufin' difference FFS?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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I don't think quotas are bad for punters and they certainly don't raise the prices.

So plate premiums are funded by the fairies? :?


Don't be silly the fairies couldn't afford to do that, but, the punters certainly don't. Whether the plate on the back of the cab is free or £50,000 the driver can only charge what the LA allow, remind me again where some of the cheapest fares are?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:20 pm 
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remind me again where some of the cheapest fares are?

In the Hackney Number limited areas.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:38 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
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remind me again where some of the cheapest fares are?

In the Hackney Number limited areas.

Really? :?

Love to see the stats to back that up.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:02 pm 
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I will state Plymouth.

Mileage rate £1.32 and PH usually undercut it.

Plymouth is restricted.

So at 10 miles, Plymouth is in the bottom 10 of the LA's in England and Wales.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
So at 10 miles, Plymouth is in the bottom 10 of the LA's in England and Wales.

What about the 2 mile fare that appears to be main fare everyone compares?

But your point about the unrestricted PH market undercutting the restricted taxi market seems to go against the point being made by toots.

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From memory as I don't have the table to hand, at 2 miles Plymouth lies about 115th.

I would also point out that Plymouth is 100% WAV - not the cheapest vehicles to run, as I am sure you would have to agree.

The limitation of numbers does mean that each Hackney vehicle can cover enough ground to cover costs. I would admit that if you want a Cab to rent they are easily available - Cabs are lying idle so the 367 on the roads may actually be reduced by circa 30 at the moment.

This means that the Cabby can make a living, the Punter benefits too - from cheaper fares.

I took this point to the LC today in Stratford on Avon - I asked Richard Percival if their on-board Economist could explain why the limited areas are generally cheaper. I pointed out that limited areas, causing cheaper fares from both sides of the trade benefit everyone. He took that as a good argument for retaining "Limitation" - but unfortunately not as the "Killer Blow".

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Chris the Fish wrote:
I would also point out that Plymouth is 100% WAV - not the cheapest vehicles to run, as I am sure you would have to agree.

I totally agree, which is why comparing fares in restricted areas to those in de-limited areas is too crude (on it's own) a method to say one is cheaper or dearer than the other.

I spoke to one of the resident idiots down here recently who said that in the top 20 of the PHM fares list there where more de-limited areas than restricted area. What old thicko hadn't taken into account was the fact that three times as many councils don't restrict as do. ](*,)

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I asked Richard Percival if their on-board Economist could explain why the limited areas are generally cheaper.

I would still like to see these stats.

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Sussex wrote:
But your point about the unrestricted PH market undercutting the restricted taxi market seems to go against the point being made by toots.


The point I was making was it doesn't matter how much the plate is the fares are what they are and that is not based on the cost of the plate. I would imagine that if drivers are making a living it wouldn't matter if the fare is low because costs are being met. It is less likely that costs are being met in de-restricted areas because there are more mouths to feed hence dearer fares and more reliance on state handouts :wink:

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Chris the Fish wrote:
I will state Plymouth.

Mileage rate £1.32 and PH usually undercut it.

Plymouth is restricted.

So at 10 miles, Plymouth is in the bottom 10 of the LA's in England and Wales.

Now that's what I call first class evidence!!!

Indisputable, undeniable, irrefutable evidence!!

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