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Well...believe what tripe Jasbar types if you want, but It's going to hit you so bloody hard when or if it happens that you'll realise old Bloodnock was right. and any hacks that pesently have the Luxury of driving their vehicles for Social and Domestic use can kiss that little privilege goodbye for fear of eating away at driver time, And tachos aint cheap, the more cars you have the more its going to hurt install to them. Your virtually paying the government to allow you to work less, so that means those tachos are paid from a smaller earnings purse.

Your not driving hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of Bus or Lorry and nor are being paid the big money that a single Bus or Lorry driver is being paid or is making for their company. No, your on Tariff based chicken feed money which is going to be hammered because your only allowed to work in tiny bite sized chunks that wouldn't even allow for one half decent run in any given period....Your not even supposed to sit in your vehicle during some rest periods as they don't class that as proper rest, you couldn't even have the engine warming your vehicle up for the punter on a cold winters day as that would be biting into your driver hours. Theirs a dozen more reasons to hate tacho's and no proven reason to like them.

Honest to god, you lot would be in for the biggest crapper of your life if you got them, but your just fooling yourselves into the belief that your going to save lives, your making something that's not a problem into a cause to hit PHs...which it wont do any more that it'll hit hacks. that's it, Unless Tacho rules in hacks are radically different to HGV or PSV ones it's will be unworkable.
Finally, my last prophetic word on this is that your all going to be stuffed and skint..the only thing that's going to make the roads safer is that you'll not be on them, only buses will be as you good people as drivers will have become extinct.

Nope, that guy was an arse to work that long...but we need some common sense on this one, not the "screw everybody" attitude that some in here seek.

And that's me done on the matter.

But you're not interested in anyone but yourself.

Now tell us all how it wouldn't affect you because you don't work long hours. And then explain how, if that is so, why you're so steamed up about Tachos now?

You're contradicting yourself Bloodnock.

And we all know it.

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Tacho, on off with the card, just like the lorries, I'm on a rank or waiting for a job from the data head, oooh I'll remove my tacho card so it doesn't log me as working,


FFS get real man, unless you know of a way to log all things your plan is a fail, ftr I am all for restricting the hours but it's unworkable as some will quad man a car and others will simply keep logging off the tacho when not in motion, c'mon man put the quill down and think logically.

I'm not against it because I love driving long hours, I don't, I drive as few as I need too to earn a living and those total are hours Within the UK tacho 48/60pw rules, but what it really does Screw up is the precise hours you CAN work.

A lot of Hacks and PH's do School contracts or other contracts, that might just be only an Hour worth of School run in the Morning and Another hours worth of School run in the afternoon, then they may do little else Until it busies up at around 9pm to Midnight, That Makes for only a total 5 hours of driving in a Day..Hardly Excessive. The Remainder of that Day between Morning and afternoon School runs they Take off as a break, the same between Afternoon School run and a 9 pm Night time stint.

That would mean they have Worked only 5 hours and rested some some 11 hours Between the Start of their day to the End of their working Day. Hardly Exhaustive for the driver is it. Those 5 Hours are classed as Non Consecutive Driving hours which means that under Driver hour rules they would need to Rest for a further 8 hours before they can start another shift, And if your School Contract means you Have to set away from your house at 7.30am for an 8pm pickup then you could only drive up until 11.30pm the previous night and that time would Include your drive back to your base or home. And as not All Hacks or PH's work exactly where they live, they still need to commute in and out daily to one extent or another.

That's my main Argument...You could work next to no hours with lots of rest in between, indeed the less you worked the longer the rest would be but it would only take a couple of small runs over an intermittent, hit and miss Day before you'd be unable to honour your next daily 8pm contract run...It's just unworkable, Your Ham tied before you even start.

O'k, As I said, I'm finished with the matter, It would take a special kind of self deluded fool to see Tacho's as a cure for anything, they are an instrument of punishment to the fair minded and the idiot alike, the only winner being those who administer it and police it, it will create only non jobs within Vosa paid for by you, me and everyone else in the Taxi/PH trades.

You only want it because you have a twisted sort of hatred for all things PH, no more, no less.

I fear you have a "cut of your nose in spite of your face" attitude for the introduction of Tachographs.

Your followers and fellow Goaders and Gloaters might be suckered in by your perceived Intelligence but I'm not. I will no longer waste my time arguing the disadvantages of your flawed ideals or worse still bore you all with my prudent hatred of the Inflexible Tachograph in our highly fluid and randomly patronised Business.

You think what you want and Your disciples can think what they want as I simply do not give toss about your views.

I'll follow the subject but your not going wind me up over it, your wrong about it, but sadly you just don't know it yet.

You still haven't explained how you know what hours will or wont be permitted? Crystal ball?

Fact remains that you think profitability and the ability to go out whenever, regardless of how tired you are or aren't, is more important than everyone's safety. There are far too many like you in this trade, and that's why the decision when it's made, won't be made by the trade. We simply cannot be trusted to self regulate.

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Buses are Different from HGVs yet they come under the same UK driver hour rules, why should Hacks or PH be any different.

Lets turn it around Gusmac, How can you or Jasbar think it's such a good thing when he does not have a Crystal ball either, He Does not know what hours would be permitted, once he knows he might well change his tune. At least I have the advantage of knowing what driving hours already exist and its an Easy option for VOSA to put in place the same for us as these hours are GB Driver hours for tachograph users and are not "vehicle type specific" hours! VOSA see things in Black and White, its Safety they busy themselves with and Extra Costs or Job losses are of no concern to them, so why would they make any exemption to Drivers hours for the Taxi trade as that would defeat the object of their safe Driving hours Ideal.

Its Simple, We run Businesses ..all of Us Hacks and PH's...If we put "Absolute Safety" before Profits there would be no business at all. Its not Ideal but what kind of Idiot would work at a loss just to in the chance It might benefit safety. You, Jasbar and the rest of us all have to make a living first and foremost, If you factor in the extra costs involved then your required fare Increase would be so high as to make it non viable and certainly unacceptable to the user and that's assuming LA's would allow such a substantial tariff increase, Unfortunately Jasbar seems to Think Hacks are Immune from profit loss!!

You do the Sums...you wont be getting a BSOG grant to smooth over the Cracks either.

Just why your so determined to implement something most of you have never used in the vain hope that it will cure a perceived safety problem that as yet has not even been proved to be a problem is just insane. I have used Tachographs in a previous Job as a Lorry driver, and believe you me, they truly suck. Call me selfish if you want, I'm thick enough skinned for it not bother me, All I ask is for you to form your own educated opinions of these things instead of being led blindly by one mans obsession that he can destroy PH by using the "safety" excuse as a tool to do so.

It's the mentality of the cold war..Its MAD, "Mutually Assured Destruction" what destroys us will surely destroy you when you deploy it.

Maybe it should be down to the companies to restrict the hours. With the advent of digital systems which each driver has to log into using their own PIN it can't be too hard to program a timer into the system. Then the companies can say to their drivers you are only allowed to work x number of hours per day and once that limit is reached you are automatically logged out and can't log back in until a specified rest period has passed. Even for those not on digital systems the operators should be able to tell when a driver starts/finishes, it just involves more work.

Of course some other system would have to be used for the independant hacks or PH who don't work for a company, but as they would be their own operators then the onus would be on them to restrict their hours if legislation was brought in.

Could an operator be held liable in any way if one of their drivers was involved in a fatal accident after they had allowed them to work long hours ? If they could then perhaps they should already be looking at restricting hours just to cover their own backs.

Companies can no more be trusted to regulate drivers hours than drivers can.

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Look, let's keep this simple.

Two things:-

First. A PH guy did a 21 and a half hour shift. he drove on the the A9 for the last 3 or four hours of his shift. That was after already being behind the wheel for 17 hours. We all know who I was driving with. And this is fact. THE DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE. And the company clearly sanctioned him doing it.

Wednesday, it was announced that the Police are targeting drivers on the A9 for any road traffic offence. They cited as their reason for doing this because there are 200 road traffic accidents on the road each year. perhaps I should say that again, there 200 road traffic accidents EVERY YEAR. That's over 200 families who have suffered bereavement because of this road and the drivers who abuse it.

(Given the carnage they have to endure and clearing up others' mess, who can blame them. In fact, wouldn't they be in dereliction of their duty if they failed to do so?)

Now, explain to us Bloodnock how it's OK for a PH driver to be on this road after 17 hours in the saddle, far less 21? And then explain to us how we can trust companies to monitor this? And how we can trust their employees, who feed work to their pals - no matter how long they've already been working, are gonna stop doing it?

Second. Please explain how, if Tachos don't affect you, because you work safely, why you are opposed to them. I've read your recent posts, and you seem to have an inordinate fear of them. So you must think they WILL affect you. Which tells me that you don't work safely and we really need them to control the danger that you pose.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

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Smith, "And ... What rights?"

I never said it was alright, but It was a one off incident and your trying to twist things so as it looks like all 200 accidents were Caused by Tired out PH Drivers......where in fact None of those 200 annual accidents are as far as I can See are even vaguely PH related, let alone purely Tired out PH driver related incidents. Have you never considered that most of these accidents were caused by normal road users and the others by vehicles such as HGVs or Buses who are already Tachographed and yet still have accidents?



More Crap and Untruths from Jasbar... Whilst still to many the true figure for the A9 is 67 deaths over 5 years, read the Article below and which can be found here:
http://news.stv.tv/tayside/106171-a9-is-scotlands-deadliest-road-as-67-lives-lost-in-five-years/

That's where your wrong, Your Jumping up and down like a man demented, cursing a single PH Driver who rather foolishly drove to long and laying the blame for every single accident at the feet of PH Driver hours even though you do not have a single thread of evidence that It was Tiredness that caused any of these accidents.

You also have no evidence at all that would suggest that Tachographs if fitted would have saved a single life or even stopped a single accident on the A9.

The Problem is that you Have a Giant PH Bee in your bonnet and because of the empty space up there it's buzzing about from side to side resonating more noise than an empty can with a stone in it rolling down a hill.


Come back with the Evidence to back up your theory that 200 deaths are caused annually on the A9 by purely PH tiredness or that even a reasonable percentage of them were and then I'll look at the merits of Tachographss again.

I see no need to explain why or how we should stop Companies driving longer hours as I do not perceive it to be a problem of the magnitude that you make it out to be, you have no evidence to back your argument up that long PH hours are persistently killing people.

My argument Is that it is the dangerous Nature of Badly designed roads combined with Excessive speeds and low Driver standards which are the Biggest taker of lives on this and other roads. Maybe you should focus your energies on these issues rather than Pick on your much loathed PH companies who have may caused you some kind of personal trauma in the past.



Before you go, Read the following and get your facts right.


Deadly statistics: A crash between a bus and a van on the road last week.
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The A9 is the deadliest road in Scotland and must be dualled as soon as possible, an MSP has said.

Mid Scotland and Fife representative Murdo Fraser revealed that 67 people were killed on the road between 2006 and 2010, giving the A9 the highest fatality rate of any road in Scotland.

The Scottish Conservative MSP obtained the numbers in a parliamentary question to Transport Minister Keith Brown, which also uncovered that the A90 was the second deadliest road with a death toll of 51 over five years.

In the same time period, there were a total of 1026 collisions on the A9 - an average of 200 every year.

Mr Fraser said: “It has been confirmed that the A9 has the highest fatality rate of all roads in Scotland. It is a terrible statistic to reveal and this road continues to injure and claim too many lives every year.

“It is distressing and sad to learn that 67 lives have been lost on the A9 over the last five years and every fatal accident on the A9 means a family and a community having lost a loved one.

“There have also been over a 1000 accidents on the A9 in the last five years, meaning that we are witnessing more than 200 accidents a year on average and an accident every second day.

“These statistics, and the grief for the many families, friends and communities affected by each accident, reinforces the need for the A9 to be made up to dual carriageway as quickly as possible. I would urge the Scottish Government to press ahead with its plans for dualling between Perth and Inverness as soon as it is practical and not wait until 2017.

“It is not acceptable for one road to cause so many accidents and so much anguish.”

Food for thought.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/fatigue.pdf

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Indeed it is food for thought, but overall PH or Hacks pose no more risk over all than any other Section of the Driving community. In our modern world we all Get up Earlier, go to bed later, fill our days doing often monotonous jobs for long hours, after that long day people commute home by car, train or bus. Everybody is probably more tired than they Ideally should be, We sit up at our PC's until the wee hours of the morning and expect that we'll be fine to drive to work in the morning.

All these things are bad, they can all lead to lapses in Concentration brought about through tiredness, yet some In here seem to think that by Targeting one very small group of professional drivers that (and doing so at great Immediate expense and further long term profit loss) it will cure such things once and for all! Of course it wont, the Impact of a very small group of Hardcore dumb and overly greedy Hack or PH drivers within a much Larger and much more sensible and sensitive trade will make little or no difference to the number of Tiredness related accidents overall.

At best we account for around 1 or 2 percent of all road users and of that the Idiot drivers in our midsts would account for around 10% of that 1 or 2 percent, and that Equates to 00.1% of road users being Numpty PH or Hack drivers.

Why should we single out the Entire Taxi and PH trade for special treatment when we are, with the exception 0.1% of road users no less safe than anyone else out there on the roads today, In fact as professional drivers we are generally safer drivers and who proportionately have less accidents than the non professional everyday road users, and the benefits our driving abilities would outweigh by far the Imperfections of a tiny few in our midst who act irresponsibly.

Unless you stick tachographs in every single road using Vehicle in the UK then there is no obvious over all safety advantage to be gleaned from requiring Taxis and PH's Tachographs fitted with them.

It would only further feed the recession through lost earnings from the slow demise of the Taxi and PH trades, and all for no or at best negligible benefit.

If Jasbar and a few others want to indulge in some Self-flagellation of their business, go ahead, your heading in the right direction for the shop selling the whip for the Job.

Yes I said bereavement, and that was wrong. But not too much wrong, because it's still 200 families affected by the carnage.

And I'm not singling out PH specifically. I just happen to believe that this is not a single case. On the day in question, there was a flight going North cancelled. So there were a dozen jobs or so dished out. This guy told me himself the circumstances of how he did the job. we don't know the circumstances of the other dozen. But the record should be there and the LA can check them. If they don't then what is the point of base licensing. If the y do and the records have been falsified, then what is the point of base licensing?

Now, because you've ducked the question yet again we all now know that the reason that you don't want tachos is because you do operate unsafely and they would damage your pursuit of cash reward. there can be no other reason for your shyness.

Fact is Bloodnock, we need tachos to weed guys like you out of the trade - PH or otherwise.

Sooner the better.

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"