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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Can you tell me why p/h are different?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:33 pm 
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Can you tell me why p/h are different?

There is no law saying they can only sit/work in their own licensing area. Whereas taxis can only ply in their own area.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:10 am 
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Sorry guys all the arguments you have been bring up are all answered in Sec 38 you obviously cannot see it or do not want to, you cannot see the woods for the trees, in reply to the Subject of Sefton being like Shropshire, if you bothered to read the ruling that allows cross border you should note at the end the ruling the Judge makes a statement that a Hackney Carriage must work predominantly in the area that its Plated for, if not the Council Plating the said Vehicle can refuse to Plate (license) said Vehicle not, the Council where the problem comes to, the Council who License the Vehicle that does not work predominately in its own area. PH can do what they do because there is no Law to stop them, but the Law Commission want to Legalize it so they can definitely do it, (Sec 38 will be removed) and not do the right thing and make it more illegal than Sec 38 already does, giving unnecessary power to PH in the process ridding the Trade of Owners/Driver of Hacks like myself who have worked in the Trade for 40 years quite happily abiding by the rules we have now, since the implementation of the 1976 Act which was bought in for the PH Trade (Predominantly) things have slowly got worse for the Hacks until we got to this God Almighty mess that Hacks are now going to be in, or out of the Trade altogether.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:54 am 
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Sorry guys all the arguments you have been bring up are all answered in Sec 38 you obviously cannot see it or do not want to, you cannot see the woods for the trees, in reply to the Subject of Sefton being like Shropshire, if you bothered to read the ruling that allows cross border you should note at the end the ruling the Judge makes a statement that a Hackney Carriage must work predominantly in the area that its Plated for, if not the Council Plating the said Vehicle can refuse to Plate (license) said Vehicle not, the Council where the problem comes to, the Council who License the Vehicle that does not work predominately in its own area. PH can do what they do because there is no Law to stop them, but the Law Commission want to Legalize it so they can definitely do it, (Sec 38 will be removed) and not do the right thing and make it more illegal than Sec 38 already does, giving unnecessary power to PH in the process ridding the Trade of Owners/Driver of Hacks like myself who have worked in the Trade for 40 years quite happily abiding by the rules we have now, since the implementation of the 1976 Act which was bought in for the PH Trade (Predominantly) things have slowly got worse for the Hacks until we got to this God

If you are correct, which you're not by a long way, why aren't the courts full of people breaching your flawed view if section 38?

And give us a brief synopses of why the judge got it so wrong in the Stockton case.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:18 am 
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I am fed up of saying Sec 38 its all in black and white until proved wrong, the Judge should have taken this into account, end of.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:30 am 
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Sorry guys all the arguments you have been bring up are all answered in Sec 38 you obviously cannot see it or do not want to, you cannot see the woods for the trees, in reply to the Subject of Sefton being like Shropshire, if you bothered to read the ruling that allows cross border you should note at the end the ruling the Judge makes a statement that a Hackney Carriage must work predominantly in the area that its Plated for, if not the Council Plating the said Vehicle can refuse to Plate (license) said Vehicle not, the Council where the problem comes to, the Council who License the Vehicle that does not work predominately in its own area. PH can do what they do because there is no Law to stop them, but the Law Commission want to Legalize it so they can definitely do it, (Sec 38 will be removed) and not do the right thing and make it more illegal than Sec 38 already does, giving unnecessary power to PH in the process ridding the Trade of Owners/Driver of Hacks like myself who have worked in the Trade for 40 years quite happily abiding by the rules we have now, since the implementation of the 1976 Act which was bought in for the PH Trade (Predominantly) things have slowly got worse for the Hacks until we got to this God



38 What to be hackney carriages. Proviso as to stage coaches. .

Every wheeled carriage, whatever may be its form or construction, used in standing or plying for hire in any street within the prescribed distance, and every carriage standing upon any street within the prescribed distance, having thereon any numbered plate required by this or the special Act to be fixed upon a hackney carriage, or having thereon any plate resembling or intended to resemble any such plate as aforesaid, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this Act; and in all proceedings at law or otherwise the term “hackney carriage” shall be sufficient to describe any such carriage:

Provision always, that no stage coach used for the purpose of standing or plying for passengers to be carried for hire at separate fares, and duly licensed for that purpose, and having thereon the proper numbered plates required by law to be placed on such stage coaches, shall be deemed to be a hackney carriage within the meaning of this Act.


If local authorities actually followed what the Judge in the Berwick case said, and as demonstrated by Shropshire Council, the cross border HC thing would disappear very quickly.

The HC is licensed to operate within its prescribed distance, the fact it can do PH work is IMO neither here nor there.

It seems to me the entire Berwick scrnario was brought about by one company from the North East using a very loose judgement in the Shanks Costs case........the words of the judge have been taken out of context in respect of what was in front of him.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:48 am 
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Thank you. I think we have some common ground, to many heads in the sand.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:22 pm 
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I am fed up of saying Sec 38 its all in black and white until proved wrong, the Judge should have taken this into account, end of.
Mal

I suspect lawyers must love you, or more importantly the money folks like you pi** up the wall on pointless causes.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:11 pm 
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If I wasnt so thick skinned I could probly get upset by your pretenious remarks down to YOU wanting the last say so can have it I do not intend getting into à personal slanging match with you and wish you kind regards and hope you get all you put into this life.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:09 am 
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This post isn't to get the last word in, as I have said all I need to say to you on this issue.

Instead it's a piece of good advice. :shock:

If you go to your user control panel in the top right hand side of your screen, you can add me to your ignore (friend or foe) list. Then you wont have to read anything I write ever again.

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