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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:59 pm 
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You think its sad that taxi drivers dontvearn 10 pound per hour all year round ? You live in a bubble .

I do find it sad that drivers don't average a min of £10 per hour, but don't twist my words.

We are discussing what drivers could earn if hours were limited, and I gave a range that said £10 should be obtainable depending on what shifts drivers did.

You might be content earning f*** all, but I'm not.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:55 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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You think its sad that taxi drivers dontvearn 10 pound per hour all year round ? You live in a bubble .

I do find it sad that drivers don't average a min of £10 per hour, but don't twist my words.

We are discussing what drivers could earn if hours were limited, and I gave a range that said £10 should be obtainable depending on what shifts drivers did.

You might be content earning f*** all, but I'm not.

What i earn is for me to know,certainly not on a public forum .As for limiting hours its a joke,people do this job for the freedom of it and flexibility.You can twist your own words to that


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:00 pm 
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It's obvious that if tachographs were introduced, it would create unmet demand at many times of a 24 hour period and significant unmet demand at extraordinary periods, such as described above.

It would depend on what's the max number of hours we could work.

If it was 12 hours a day it wouldn't cause that much of a problem, other than to the greedy bas****s.

But if it was 8-10 hours then that might cause some problems at the busier times.


That's where I stand on it...we need some leeway on driver hours..at a lowly 80p a mile roughly, earned on snarled up roads and all based on intermitent customers we need to be cut some slack.

I think I could count on the fingers of one hand those few days in a year I've driven more than a total of ten hours within a 24 hour period. But the work might include some evening work one day and some morning work the next and that they total less than 4 hours, but this would be fecked all together by a compulsory 10 hour Rest/sleep period if I Finished at Midnight and left again at 7.00am.

But beyond the Driving hours I like many others will have accounts, Maintenance, and a myriad of other things to do during the day to day running of a business, so its not just the hours driving but the many hours after the driving that counts as days work.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:45 am 
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But 60 hours at £10-15 an hour (depending on shifts) shouldn't be that unobtainable.

I only wish; that would be utopia!

There's no chance of earning that type of money in Brum.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:59 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Sussex wrote:
But 60 hours at £10-15 an hour (depending on shifts) shouldn't be that unobtainable.

I only wish; that would be utopia!

There's no chance of earning that type of money in Brum.


Can somebody explain to me what is reasonable about having to work 60 hours per week :? I understand that it maybe a necessity but I certainly don't think it's reasonable by any stretch of the imagination

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:42 am 
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I am very reliably informed by two good sources, that at a meeting on Wednesday in the Greater Manchester area attended by Law Commission representatives and Asian drivers and Asian trade reps only from around the country

Surely the Law commissions being somewhat racially prejudiced or biased toward non Asians if they have an Asian only meeting? What would happen if they had held a White Caucasion only Meeting, the PC police would be up in arms in an instant.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:46 am 
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toots wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Sussex wrote:
But 60 hours at £10-15 an hour (depending on shifts) shouldn't be that unobtainable.

I only wish; that would be utopia!

There's no chance of earning that type of money in Brum.


Can somebody explain to me what is reasonable about having to work 60 hours per week :? I understand that it maybe a necessity but I certainly don't think it's reasonable by any stretch of the imagination


It's not reasonable to be forced to work 60 hours per week, but It's certainly reasonable to work 60 Hours a week of your own free will. and it's most unlikely that all those 60 hours would be spent driving anyway.


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It's not reasonable to be forced to work 60 hours per week, but It's certainly reasonable to work 60 Hours a week of your own free will. and it's most unlikely that all those 60 hours would be spent driving anyway.


Do you mean forced by necessity or by 'employers'?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:19 pm 
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toots wrote:
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It's not reasonable to be forced to work 60 hours per week, but It's certainly reasonable to work 60 Hours a week of your own free will. and it's most unlikely that all those 60 hours would be spent driving anyway.


Do you mean forced by necessity or by 'employers'?


By employers mainly.

I guess necessity means different thing to different people as some folks financial needs are greater than that of others. :?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:42 pm 
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I have for 30 years said... that a driver should be able to earn a living by working 40 hours. so that means pay for his vehicle. then maintenance. insurance. road tax. licensing fees. fuel.. his wages.. and his tax.... and maybe accountant.... so what does he need to make per hour .

Already done it (a few months back) !
My weekly costs come to around £240 which is £6 per hour. So based on a 40 hour week I need to take an AVERAGE of £12 on the meter per hour to achieve MINIMUM wage. Midweek I'm lucky if I hit even the £6 to cover my costs eusasmiles.zip


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:15 pm 
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toots wrote:
Can somebody explain to me what is reasonable about having to work 60 hours per week :?

Who's saying it is reasonable, it's just a reality.

But it boils down to what can be earnt within those 40 hours, and if drivers are struggling to get a £10 per hour, then the trade ain't worth working in if you can't do 60 hours.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:33 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
toots wrote:
Can somebody explain to me what is reasonable about having to work 60 hours per week :?

Who's saying it is reasonable, it's just a reality.

But it boils down to what can be earnt within those 40 hours, and if drivers are struggling to get a £10 per hour, then the trade ain't worth working in if you can't do 60 hours.


And thats the Rub..You need around 60 hours to earn a half decent living, but then we might be told we can only work 40 hours and that's a 33% reduction on your driver hours and also a 33% reduction on gross income.
Your Nett outgoings remain static so all that 33% loss of driver hours/Income comes directly out of your pre-tax gross profit.

And if you presently work to a 50% profit margin then your net Profit will actually diminish by a whopping 66%.

That leaves with only £33 of profit for every £100 pounds of profit you previously earned before a 33% Cut in Driving hours.

Seemples..........It's not worth doing #-o


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You also get a 33% reduction in competition :wink:

Try factoring that into your figures.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:41 am 
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Sussex wrote:

But it boils down to what can be earnt within those 40 hours, and if drivers are struggling to get a £10 per hour, then the trade ain't worth working in if you can't do 60 hours.



Then fares will have to increase.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:01 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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so what does he need to make per hour .

I think 40 hours are too low to make a full-time living out this trade.

But 60 hours at £10-15 an hour (depending on shifts) shouldn't be that unobtainable.



Round here we need £13 per hour to break even then on top of that we've got our wages to earn, add the £6 minimum fare on and you have a grand total of £19 per hour. That can't be done every hour of the week.


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