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 Post subject: Oh Sod it
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:17 pm 
Go out for an hour or so and come back to find my last posting deleted.


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 Post subject: Re: Oh Sod it
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:12 am 
Tom Thumb wrote:
Go out for an hour or so and come back to find my last posting deleted.


And mine and the rest. Not right is it. They weren't abusive. Micks was a bit insulting an untrue but he got no rebuke.

This is what I have been putting up with on the previous sites and now this one. This little group blacken my name and tell falsehoods. Then if the more enlightened see it for what it is, and say so we are deleted or rounded upon and accused of homosexual acts. Surely that post earlier was worthy of a complaint from the panjandrums. No, not a word.

This post will bite the dust soon enough. I have posted two new threads both of which have been immediatley deleted. Neither were abusive in the slightest.

It is talk of what I want you to talk or else!

Regards
Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:57 am 
Yes Maurice, you are absolutely correct - the forum is for trade issues, not for personal vendettas - this was made clear to you the other day, but you persist in wasting people's time by posting these things.

Over the past few days all I've seen when logging on is the same old stuff that has been debated ad nauseum on here alread, and it's just taking up bandwith and people's time.

And it's getting to the point where all this is getting in the way of discussing the real issues.

Anyone who persists will be presumed to have an ulterior motive.

Your new 'threads' were just the same thread repeated over and over again, which had previously been locked and/or deleted.

Why don't you start your own forum Maurice, or at the very least start a thread on a proper topic.

What is the problem?

And don't bother with the same old stuff that you've posted above.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:28 am 
I found banging my head against a brick wall helped Dusty,

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:22 am 
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I found banging my head against a brick wall helped Dusty,

B. Lucky :twisted:


oh thats your excuse?

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:49 am 
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Yes Maurice, you are absolutely correct - the forum is for trade issues, not for personal vendettas - this was made clear to you the other day, but you persist in wasting people's time by posting these things.

Over the past few days all I've seen when logging on is the same old stuff that has been debated ad nauseum on here alread, and it's just taking up bandwith and people's time.

And it's getting to the point where all this is getting in the way of discussing the real issues.

Anyone who persists will be presumed to have an ulterior motive.

Your new 'threads' were just the same thread repeated over and over again, which had previously been locked and/or deleted.

Why don't you start your own forum Maurice, or at the very least start a thread on a proper topic.

What is the problem?

And don't bother with the same old stuff that you've posted above.

Dusty


There you go again. I have no vendetta. I hardly made any posts on "Not me" I did not make many posts in the previous weeks.

I made a post answering the false asertion by Nigel that I was posting as someone else. I also answered Nigels homophobic post and Micks false bully post.

You have not seen fit to rebuke your old mates but you put the blame on me. This was the modus operandi on Fosters site and Micks site which you enthusiasticaly took sides and now you are doing it on this site.

When others twig what is going on and make some posts highlighting this you erase the entire threads. Why? Just lock it down. What do you want to hide?

Easy isn't remove the evidence, as Foster and Pollard did, then carry on with "your are disruptive Maurice, your are abusive and have a vendetta".

Well if that is the case leave all my 'abuse' etc for all to see. They would soon get fed up with it.

I have no problem.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:53 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
Yes Maurice, you are absolutely correct - the forum is for trade issues, not for personal vendettas - this was made clear to you the other day, but you persist in wasting people's time by posting these things.

Over the past few days all I've seen when logging on is the same old stuff that has been debated ad nauseum on here alread, and it's just taking up bandwith and people's time.

And it's getting to the point where all this is getting in the way of discussing the real issues.

Anyone who persists will be presumed to have an ulterior motive.

Your new 'threads' were just the same thread repeated over and over again, which had previously been locked and/or deleted.

Why don't you start your own forum Maurice, or at the very least start a thread on a proper topic.

What is the problem?

And don't bother with the same old stuff that you've posted above.

Dusty


There you go again. I have no vendetta. I hardly made any posts on "Not me" I did not make many posts in the previous weeks.

I made a post answering the false asertion by Nigel that I was posting as someone else. I also answered Nigels homophobic post and Micks false bully post.

You have not seen fit to rebuke your old mates but you put the blame on me. This was the modus operandi on Fosters site and Micks site which you enthusiasticaly took sides and now you are doing it on this site.

When others twig what is going on and make some posts highlighting this you erase the entire threads. Why? Just lock it down. What do you want to hide?

Easy isn't remove the evidence, as Foster and Pollard did, then carry on with "your are disruptive Maurice, your are abusive and have a vendetta".

Well if that is the case leave all my 'abuse' etc for all to see. They would soon get fed up with it.

I have no problem.

Claude :evil:


As the edict was laid down after the posts and as some maybe unaware of Micks bully post I think it is fair that the members can view it and make up there own minds:

I've transferred those posts to a new thread Maurice.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:09 pm 
Defies belief.

Totally illogical.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 4:43 pm 
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The intention was to promote civilised debate and not to let the forum descend into the kind of thing that has transpired elsewhere. Clearly this won't work, so I won't be doing any more moderating, but it's ultimately up to the site's owner how to proceed. However, my own preference would be for an unmoderated site along the lines of taxiforum.com, which was to a large extent our original intention anyway, so no harm done, I suppose.

However, this may not be in the long term interests of the forum, but I suppose it's better than no forum at all :(

What we certainly didn't want to do is to ban members/IP addresses, because that would hardly accord with the ethos of the site.

Neither did we want to go down the route of the London-oriented list, which even MI5 can't get into, I believe :)

As for favouring one side over an other by locking the thread, this was merely done at the point of time when I happened to log on and was thus entirely random, and was just intended to stop another endless thread of pointless argument, but if people continually start a new thread with the same stuff then it's clearly not going to work. In a 'them and us' environment one party will always cry foul when a thread is locked, but it won't be me doing the locking in future :D

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You have not seen fit to rebuke your old mates but you put the blame on me. This was the modus operandi on Fosters site and Micks site which you enthusiasticaly took sides and now you are doing it on this site.



Not quite Maurice, posts by my so-called 'old mates' have been deleted on here as well, but the difference is that they didn't try to endlessly re-post them, so you possibly didn't see them.

What you've got to remember is that I see your behaviour not just in the context of this forum, but in the wider context of your posting history on other forums.

You may recall that I left TTFUK after almost a thousand posts and 200,000 words, and you were the main cause of that. Your behaviour is certainly better on here, but my recollection from TTFUK was that your numerous posts were charachterised by abuse, derision and belittlement, and I find it very difficult to forget that. Not to mention the numerous identities you posted under, often several at the same time, with ulterior motives clearly in mind. And for that same reason I didn't contribute to TPH, so I can't comment on your conduct on there. Another reason I didn't go on there was my spats with Mick and Nidge, so we are perhaps not as good mates as you seem to think.

Even on here you don't seem to want to join in any of the debates on substantive trade issues, except for the odd derisive comment, which we all do, but is that it??

Of course everyone 'takes sides', and you are no exception, but don't forget I've had plenty of rucks with Mick and Nidge, particularly on taxiforums.com (were you on that one?), so I've no particular allegiances. Indeed I was banned from TTFUK for having the audacity to raise on particular trade-related issue, but I think the perpatrator of that no longer contributes to forums. But when it comes down to your behaviour on TTFUK then I'll always see you as the guilty party, sorry Maurice, but I don't suppose it bothers you anyway.

I still doubt your motives however, and you seem to have quite skillfully turned things round so that you are the victim and not the attacker, but in the overall context I don't think you have too much to complain about.

However, we were willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt on here, thus you were/are more than welcome to post, all we intended to do was to keep things civilised, but there'll be no more moderating by me, and if this results in a less civilised debate then so be it, but it's better than just closing the forum, or whatever.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:40 pm 
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Nice weather today. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:48 pm 
Dusty Bin wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You have not seen fit to rebuke your old mates but you put the blame on me. This was the modus operandi on Fosters site and Micks site which you enthusiasticaly took sides and now you are doing it on this site.



What you've got to remember is that I see your behaviour not just in the context of this forum, but in the wider context of your posting history on other forums.

Of course everyone 'takes sides', and you are no exception, but don't forget I've had plenty of rucks with Mick and Nidge, particularly on taxiforums.com (were you on that one?), so I've no particular allegiances. Indeed I was banned from TTFUK for having the audacity to raise on particular trade-related issue, but I think the perpatrator of that no longer contributes to forums. But when it comes down to your behaviour on TTFUK then I'll always see you as the guilty party, sorry Maurice, but I don't suppose it bothers you anyway.

I still doubt your motives however, and you seem to have quite skillfully turned things round so that you are the victim and not the attacker, but in the overall context I don't think you have too much to complain about.

Dusty Image Maurice


My posting history Dusty has to be taken in context to that which I was replying to.

Although the posts were wiped (and ask yourself why) I kept most of them and I occasionally refer to them. If you were to look at them with a dispassionate eye you will see that what you say is not correct.

My using different names were because I was unjustly banned for having the temerity to stand up for London Taxi drivers.

I have said over and over that I do not know of licensing arrangements for areas outside of London. That is why I do not make posts when these things come up. If Hackneys are happy with wishy washy I'm a HC operater today and a PH next week then that is a matter for them. What I have taken issue with is that they then think that this is the way for London. I wonder why.

For a while I have taken a back seat and just viewed the posts. I have only started to post when my name has been brought up and usual attempt at blackening my character. You cannot see this because you have brought the prejudice from old Fozzy's site along with you. As did Mick on his site.

All this crap about me wanting to bring sites down is hogwash. Foster brought his site down and Mick brought his site down.

Any way enough said. To show how magnanimous I am I won’t comment on Mick’s and Fozzy’s reply no matter how beastly they are to me.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:16 am 
I live at the opposite end of the taxi spectrum to Maurice and have had some great arguments with him about the way the industry should develop.

I do feel though that since this forum start he has acted in accordance with any protocol you would find acceptable.

We have mostly migrated to this forum from a previous place owned/moderated by two people who demanded we declare who and what we were to ensure 'good standards'.

They then visit your site and between them name a poster who wishes to remain hidden behind his handle, accuse another poster of being a homosexual and a bully. They have also accuse numerous folks of being the suspect, but that is me and I can cope with their attitudes to that.

I feel the need to remove whole threads was premature and that other postings should have been deleted.

That is my view on the last few days.

Apart from that can I say thank you for running such a good site. The way you try to generate discussion from news items is excellent.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:03 am 
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Err, thanks Tom.

Believe me, the deleting was done with the best intentions, but to some extent we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Dusty :?


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Claude wrote:
My using different names were because I was unjustly banned for having the temerity to stand up for London Taxi drivers.

All this crap about me wanting to bring sites down is hogwash. Foster brought his site down and Mick brought his site down.



Yes Maurice, I agree that your case it not entirely without merit. As I said repeatedly on TTFUK I was never abusive towards the London trade (but did raise some critical issues) and I agree that there was some unacceptable stuff, but there was also some unacceptable stuff from one or two London drivers (someone called Fox56 springs to mind), and obviously these things can get out of hand.

However, I do feel that some of your stuff was a bit...er...disproportionate, but of course you have every right to stand up for your trade, and you are free to do so on here.

Dusty


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