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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:08 pm 
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Yes to most of those. I wouldn't risk running a road vehicle on red, the penalties are rather high as they assume you've done so for a long time.

The Toyota hybrid petrol engine drives a generator and an electric motor drives the wheels.


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:49 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
Yes to most of those. I wouldn't risk running a road vehicle on red, the penalties are rather high as they assume you've done so for a long time.

The Toyota hybrid petrol engine drives a generator and an electric motor drives the wheels.

I think Wanna is saying that the fridge motor on a lorry is run from a seperate tank to the road engine so therfore it can use red diesel. The thinking now is that if the engine on these hybrids does not actually power the wheels then maybe that could run legally on red diesel. I don't think it would wash personally because the 2 power units are connected.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:33 pm 
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grandad wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
Shown to be totally crap on fuel top gear tested one, for a week, on a 90 mile daily commute, and a diesel skoda octavia beat it every time

I suppose it would depend on the use it is being put to. i believe that the Prius is better on short stop/start runs than on distance jobs. Also with cars with proper engines, drivers tend to let them tick over whilst on the rank thus using fuel all the time whereas a Prius or similar does not run when stationary.


A PH driver in our area had a Prius and was always telling you how good the fuel consumption was all the time (boring) then the main battery went £4k Plus
He bought a new one same story MPG blah blah blah! then the battery went
Driving a Toyota avensis now (diesel) :) :) :)


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:01 pm 
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That's why I've leased my car. It goes back after 2 years then I get another new one...simples! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:02 pm 
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grandad wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Yes to most of those. I wouldn't risk running a road vehicle on red, the penalties are rather high as they assume you've done so for a long time.

The Toyota hybrid petrol engine drives a generator and an electric motor drives the wheels.

I think Wanna is saying that the fridge motor on a lorry is run from a seperate tank to the road engine so therfore it can use red diesel. The thinking now is that if the engine on these hybrids does not actually power the wheels then maybe that could run legally on red diesel. I don't think it would wash personally because the 2 power units are connected.


yes, that was my point, if i had a leccy car (battery only) and used a diesel genny on red, i couldnt use it whilst in motion but could park up and charge the batteries.....how daft

the weakness of most "hybrids" is the abysmal range on batteries and the slow recharge times, onboard charging needs to be beefed up, by making the roof a solar panel and having a genny onboard, one that can run on LPG if its a "petrol" genny or a fuel cell to generate leccy to power the drive motors

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:27 pm 
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How do you think the Auris works then? Petrol engine drives generator; eletric from the genny either drives the motor or charges the battery. It's an electric car for road tax and congection charge purposes, nul£. :D

And I can legally park in an electric car parking bay and not get a ticket, it's been tried and tested with PATAS. :D :D :D


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:45 pm 
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so are you saying the petrol engine doesnt turn the road wheels? (just a genny)?

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:13 am 
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Correct. The road wheels are driven by an electric motor, so no conventional gearbox, just forward and reverse, a very smooth acceleration curve, 0-60 in about 9 seconds because you have the power of the batteries and the power of the genny!

Regenerative braking charges the battery every time you brake or take your foot off the gas too. It is possible for the hybrid to go about 4 miles without the petrol engine cutting in.


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Just to go back to you fitting new tyres to the front, you should always fit new tyres to the rear of your vehicle (and fit the back to the front) irrespective of whether the vehicle is front or rear wheel drive. The reason being, if your front tyres have more grip, when you brake suddenly your front will grip better than the rear and inertia could cause you to spin. (And don't expect ABS or traction control to help you out because it can't defy the laws of physics)


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:23 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
Correct. The road wheels are driven by an electric motor, so no conventional gearbox, just forward and reverse, a very smooth acceleration curve, 0-60 in about 9 seconds because you have the power of the batteries and the power of the genny!

Regenerative braking charges the battery every time you brake or take your foot off the gas too. It is possible for the hybrid to go about 4 miles without the petrol engine cutting in.


so the engine RPM is constant?

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:46 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Correct. The road wheels are driven by an electric motor, so no conventional gearbox, just forward and reverse, a very smooth acceleration curve, 0-60 in about 9 seconds because you have the power of the batteries and the power of the genny!

Regenerative braking charges the battery every time you brake or take your foot off the gas too. It is possible for the hybrid to go about 4 miles without the petrol engine cutting in.


so the engine RPM is constant?

I think you will find that most of the time the engine isn't running at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:39 am 
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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
roythebus wrote:
Correct. The road wheels are driven by an electric motor, so no conventional gearbox, just forward and reverse, a very smooth acceleration curve, 0-60 in about 9 seconds because you have the power of the batteries and the power of the genny!

Regenerative braking charges the battery every time you brake or take your foot off the gas too. It is possible for the hybrid to go about 4 miles without the petrol engine cutting in.


so the engine RPM is constant?

I think you will find that most of the time the engine isn't running at all.


what and still only does 60mpg?.....

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:46 am 
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Did I achieve 70mpg? Or was I following the Ben Barry school of hybrid-unfriendly driving? I left the car in Eco mode, switched off the air-conditioning apart from occasional screen demist duties and kept up with traffic on a mixture of suburban roads, dual carriageways and motorways.

In the end I managed to coax an indicated average 52.3mpg out of the Auris. Your results may indeed vary, and perhaps a hyper-miling enthusiast can get close to Toyota's headline claims. But I fancy that for the average driver a turbodiesel hatchback would offer a greater sense of effortlessness for similar real-world economy in mixed use.
Verdict

You really need to want a hybrid to choose the Auris over its conventionally-powered stablemates or rivals. If your driving is mainly around town you can enjoy the EV mode's silent acceleration from rest and have a much better chance of getting close to that magical 70mpg. But every time you embark on a weekend roadtrip or an intercity commute you'll be confronted with the CVT whine and an average consumption indicator charting the loss of all your hard-won eco points.

The Auris HSD Hybrid isn't a bad car. But it's debatable whether it represents a better way of achieving economical motoring versus its conventionally-powered rivals.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:44 pm 
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x-ray wrote:
Just to go back to you fitting new tyres to the front, you should always fit new tyres to the rear of your vehicle (and fit the back to the front) irrespective of whether the vehicle is front or rear wheel drive. The reason being, if your front tyres have more grip, when you brake suddenly your front will grip better than the rear and inertia could cause you to spin. (And don't expect ABS or traction control to help you out because it can't defy the laws of physics)

That may be the professionals advice. I fitted winter tyres to the drive wheels on some of my cars so that the drivers may be able to get out of some of the hell holes around here.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Auris Hybrid
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:50 pm 
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the vauxhall ampera has a fuel powered generator onboard that allows the car to hit 200+ mpg, it doesnt drive the front wheels, it feeds the batteries, the auris's petrol engine feeds into a CVT (automatic drive like DAF used) and only gets 60mpg

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