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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:16 pm 
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Labour should say that any services privatised under the Torys will be returned to the public without any compo.


I'll not hold my breath waiting for that.

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Yeah.............but will they? course not or Blair woulda nationalised gas/leccy/trains, etc and demanded all home owners return "right to buy" homes to the councils....


Don't be daft. The Tories took over the Labour party years ago.

It's just that some socialists haven't realised it yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:54 pm 
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Were the companies any better when they were publicly owned?
British rail was always a joke, IIRC.
Austin rover?

Maybe rose tinted glasses?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:12 pm 
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Utilities, hospitals, prisons (group 4), trains . . .

Trains are better now than they ever were.

British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:30 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Trains are better now than they ever were.


Maybe in the only bit of the country that matters :lol:

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British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:


The bankers have got it all, there's bugger all left for anything else.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:28 pm 
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You sure ?British Rail was subsidised a billion to a billion-and-a-half in today's money,and at the moment it's getting four billion pounds of taxpayers' money" its one of the most expensive and unreliable services in europe. You really do buy into the tory con :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:36 pm 
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You really do buy into the tory con :roll:

I wish our punters gave us the same approval rating.

http://www.passengerfocus.org.uk/resear ... ain-report

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:59 pm 
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rambo wrote:
Were the companies any better when they were publicly owned?
British rail was always a joke, IIRC.
Austin rover?

Maybe rose tinted glasses?


More like blinkers

or beer goggles

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:19 pm 
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Britain's railways have been judged worst for fares, efficiency and comfort in a study of rail services in Europe.

The report by the thinktank Just Economics said UK rail services were less affordable, less comfortable, slower, more inefficient and more expensive than those in France, Germany, Spain and Italy. Frequency of trains was the only area in which the UK performed better.

"In terms of bang for buck, not only does the UK come bottom of the index of outcomes but it also spends a relatively large amount of money to achieve this woeful result. This means that it also comes bottom of the value for money league," said the report.
Basically its a overpriced pile of [edited by admin],which you obviously rarely use. Lucky to be able to sit on any of the popular routes.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:42 pm 
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Dunno, from my local station, Appledore, return to Portsmouth Harbour, about 100 miles each way, £23.60, change once at Brighton. It takes about 3 hr 20 min, but via Ashford and London using HS1/Underground and SWT costs £88 return and takes......3hr 20 min!!

As you may have gathered from some of my other posts, I'm rather pro-rail, so leaping to their defence a bit, we have some of the most modern trains in Europe with the oldest trains dating from around 1978. the HST fleet is slightly older, but the most reliable high speed diesel fleet in the world. More people than ever are using the trains despite the price hikes. people don't moan as much when petrol goes up; they never seem to moan at endless traffic jams, yet moan about a train being 5 minutes late!

No, I don't agree with privatisation per se, it's a huge con where only the legal eagles make anything, spending time apportioning blame for delays and the like. There's better ways of privatising, as they've done abroad.

The trouble is that railways in this country have always been underfunded since time immemorial, probably the 1930's. Every government since has effed around with them, closing bits, modernising with untried junk, scrapping servicable stuff, leaving no spare capacity and the like. that track capacity is now having to be re-instated at vast expense to cater for the growing demand that no-one foresaw 20 years ago.

Remember our friend Maggie wanted to convert the line from Marylebone into a busway...until they found buses wouldn't fit through the tunnels. That railway is now one of the most succesful in the coutry with trains every 10 minutes instead of one an hour. The same Maggie wanted to rip up the track into Waterloo and make that into a busway. That line too now suffers lack of capacity due to increased use. Someone somewhere must be getting something right.

The same Maggie and her cohoots are the ones who bought shares in the private railway companies. Nuff said?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:44 pm 
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Press Association

Britain's railways have been judged worst for fares, efficiency and comfort in a study of rail services in Europe.

The report by the thinktank Just Economics said UK rail services were less affordable, less comfortable, slower, more inefficient and more expensive than those in France, Germany, Spain and Italy. Frequency of trains was the only area in which the UK performed better.

"In terms of bang for buck, not only does the UK come bottom of the index of outcomes but it also spends a relatively large amount of money to achieve this woeful result. This means that it also comes bottom of the value for money league," said the report.
Basically its a overpriced pile of [edited by admin],which you obviously rarely use. Lucky to be able to sit on any of the popular routes.


So when you like the press they are OK, when you dont like em they are crap.....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:25 am 
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I agree with Terry.



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Thing is, silly abuse aside, he makes some sensible comments.

Certainly better reading than the one liner crew, most of whom are on my ignore list ( great addition to the forum )


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:29 am 
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Sussex wrote:
GBC wrote:
Utilities, hospitals, prisons (group 4), trains . . .

Trains are better now than they ever were.

British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:



The trains should be better, they're twice the price of anywhere else in Europe. :roll:

But are they better? I suspect a few million commuters would disagree.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:41 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Trains are better now than they ever were.

British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:



The rail privatisation was the biggest con trick ever, it still costs the tax payer billions and will fall back into public ownership if the rail subsidies are ever stopped......the latest con trick is with the HS2 link.....why should the government pay for a private enterprise?

British Steel was another elaborate con, as for the f*ck up with Rover?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:45 am 
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GBC wrote:
Sussex wrote:
GBC wrote:
Utilities, hospitals, prisons (group 4), trains . . .

Trains are better now than they ever were.

British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:



The trains should be better, they're twice the price of anywhere else in Europe. :roll:

But are they better? I suspect a few million commuters would disagree.

At least I'm not on your ignore list. \:D/ \:D/

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:44 am 
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captain cab wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Trains are better now than they ever were.

British Steel and British Leyland? You really want them syphoning billions of taxpayers money? :lol:



The rail privatisation was the biggest con trick ever, it still costs the tax payer billions and will fall back into public ownership if the rail subsidies are ever stopped......the latest con trick is with the HS2 link.....why should the government pay for a private enterprise?

British Steel was another elaborate con, as for the f*ck up with Rover?

Not forgetting the prt-privatisation of London Buses..Maggie sold chiswick bus works, Mr.T's property company bought it...they moved the bus engineering to a small factory in Harlesden to placate the workers, then closed it a couple of years down the line, Mr.T lined his pockets again as his company owned the engineering works.

Then there's BT, British Gas, BA, BAA, the elctricity and water industries, British Leyland (sadly missed by all :D ), etc..


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