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Did someone mention Iceland? :-" :-" :-" :-" :-"


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Did someone mention Iceland? :-" :-" :-" :-" :-"

Don't mention the Celtic Tiger or the Arc of Prosperity. :lol:

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Did someone mention Iceland? :-" :-" :-" :-" :-"

Don't mention the Celtic Tiger or the Arc of Prosperity. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 12:32 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:
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Did someone mention Iceland? :-" :-" :-" :-" :-"

Don't mention the Celtic Tiger or the Arc of Prosperity. :lol:


http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-arc-of-recovery/


Take a look at the Economists link below, it shows National debt per head

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Now when the Political Spins been taken away and the real facts presented then the UK as whole are doing better than Either Iceland or Ireland!!

2013.

Ireland
Public Debt: $235,644,535,519
Public Debt Per Person: $55,795.71
Population: 4,224,754
Public Debt as % of GDP: 119.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 5.1%

Iceland

Public Debt: $15,869,945,355
Public Debt Per Person: $49,103.12
Population: 291,129
Public Debt as % of GDP: 121.9%
Total Annual Debt Change: -4.8%

UK

Public Debt: $2,314,572,950,820
Public Debt Per Person: $36,570.30
Population: 63,256,775
Public Debt as % of GDP: 92.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 9.8%

Both Ireland and Iceland are Accruing national Debt at a faster rate than the UK..

Arc of Prosperity...My Arse!!


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:03 pm 
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Take a look at the Economists link below, it shows National debt per head

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Now when the Political Spins been taken away and the real facts presented then the UK as whole are doing better than Either Iceland or Ireland!!

2013.

Ireland
Public Debt: $235,644,535,519
Public Debt Per Person: $55,795.71
Population: 4,224,754
Public Debt as % of GDP: 119.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 5.1%

Iceland

Public Debt: $15,869,945,355
Public Debt Per Person: $49,103.12
Population: 291,129
Public Debt as % of GDP: 121.9%
Total Annual Debt Change: -4.8%

UK

Public Debt: $2,314,572,950,820
Public Debt Per Person: $36,570.30
Population: 63,256,775
Public Debt as % of GDP: 92.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 9.8%

Both Ireland and Iceland are Accruing national Debt at a faster rate than the UK..

Arc of Prosperity...My Arse!!


You should learn to read what you post bloodnock. :lol:

At 9.8%, the UK's debt is growing at nearly twice the rate of Ireland's (5.1%) and Iceland's is falling, not growing (-4.8%) :shock:
Next year's forecasts are similar to this year's, and the following two or three years will no doubt continue in a similar vein.
Until the Tories run out of services to cut and family silver to sell off. Then the UK will be screwed.

TBH you couldn't find that arse of yours with both hands :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:57 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:


Take a look at the Economists link below, it shows National debt per head

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Now when the Political Spins been taken away and the real facts presented then the UK as whole are doing better than Either Iceland or Ireland!!

2013.

Ireland
Public Debt: $235,644,535,519
Public Debt Per Person: $55,795.71
Population: 4,224,754
Public Debt as % of GDP: 119.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 5.1%

Iceland

Public Debt: $15,869,945,355
Public Debt Per Person: $49,103.12
Population: 291,129
Public Debt as % of GDP: 121.9%
Total Annual Debt Change: -4.8%

UK

Public Debt: $2,314,572,950,820
Public Debt Per Person: $36,570.30
Population: 63,256,775
Public Debt as % of GDP: 92.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 9.8%

Both Ireland and Iceland are Accruing national Debt at a faster rate than the UK..

Arc of Prosperity...My Arse!!


You should learn to read what you post bloodnock. :lol:

At 9.8%, the UK's debt is growing at nearly twice the rate of Ireland's (5.1%) and Iceland's is falling, not growing (-4.8%) :shock:
Next year's forecasts are similar to this year's, and the following two or three years will no doubt continue in a similar vein.
Until the Tories run out of services to cut and family silver to sell off. Then the UK will be screwed.

TBH you couldn't find that arse of yours with both hands :badgrin:


Full marks GUS =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> and congratulations bloodknock you fekking moron for posting evidence exactly contrary to your argument :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:



So what pond bloodknock did you crawl out of? because in the interests of public safety it should be concreted over another one of your ilk emerging ffs


I thought wannabrain was the champion cretin on here but NO BLOODKNOCKS BEATEN HIM IN STUPIDITY!! I know its hard to believe but the winner is bloodknock =D>

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I wouldn't go shouting too much Trotsky - your mob led us into this world of sh*t.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:06 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:


Take a look at the Economists link below, it shows National debt per head

http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Now when the Political Spins been taken away and the real facts presented then the UK as whole are doing better than Either Iceland or Ireland!!

2013.

Ireland
Public Debt: $235,644,535,519
Public Debt Per Person: $55,795.71
Population: 4,224,754
Public Debt as % of GDP: 119.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 5.1%

Iceland

Public Debt: $15,869,945,355
Public Debt Per Person: $49,103.12
Population: 291,129
Public Debt as % of GDP: 121.9%
Total Annual Debt Change: -4.8%

UK

Public Debt: $2,314,572,950,820
Public Debt Per Person: $36,570.30
Population: 63,256,775
Public Debt as % of GDP: 92.4%
Total Annual Debt Change: 9.8%

Both Ireland and Iceland are Accruing national Debt at a faster rate than the UK..

Arc of Prosperity...My Arse!!


You should learn to read what you post bloodnock. :lol:

At 9.8%, the UK's debt is growing at nearly twice the rate of Ireland's (5.1%) and Iceland's is falling, not growing (-4.8%) :shock:
Next year's forecasts are similar to this year's, and the following two or three years will no doubt continue in a similar vein.
Until the Tories run out of services to cut and family silver to sell off. Then the UK will be screwed.

TBH you couldn't find that arse of yours with both hands :badgrin:


We are currently in a much better position than Ireland is, Their debt is so bad that it could as easily go up as down, and even if it were to continue slowly downwards it's still damned well worse than ours.


Icelands Different, If Icelands is falling faster than ours then it's because they do not have to adhere to the EU Diktats and have effectively sought not join the EU.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Iceland-Freezes-EU-Plans-as-New-Government-Shuns-4553835.php

Iceland is doing quite nicely being out of the EU, and the fact that it's national debt is reducing faster than the EU countries is proof that being out of the EU is more beneficial than being in it.

Your rosy but confused views of the EU Gus are the result of Wee Ecks Propaganda teams hard work, they play on the inability of the gullible to think for themselves. you must start to propagate your own seeds of free thought and let them grow into fully mature brain cells capable of independent thought as opposed to those implanted thoughts on independence which Wee Eck sowed. :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:54 pm 
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Utter kack and you know it.
Iceland's debt is falling because they told the banksters to go do one, then they locked them up for the thieving crooks that they are.

Here the government took out billions of pounds of loans and gave it to the banksters. Some estimates are £30,000 for every UK taxpayer!
We get to pay that back with interest for the rest of our days.
Far from locking up these bawbags, they didn't even lose their jobs. They continue to be paid obscene salaries and bonuses, funded with our money, for doing what exactly?
With your grasp of figures, you could have screwed the country up for a lot less money.

Ireland's debt is still rising, due to the constraints of being in the Euro.
The UK is not in the Euro but debt is still rising and at twice the rate of the Irish. Despite years of austerity, were actually in a worse situation now. Explain that one, if you can. :roll:

After 300 years, I'd say you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
But you couldn't possibly have anything European :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:20 pm 
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The UK is not in the Euro but debt is still rising and at twice the rate of the Irish. Despite years of austerity, were actually in a worse situation now. Explain that one, if you can. :roll:




i can it called turn taxpayer into benefit claimer shut shops cos no customer lose more tax stream then increase vat an dont reduce rates increase fuel duty by 50% an destroy youself

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:07 pm 
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Utter kack and you know it.
Iceland's debt is falling because they told the banksters to go do one, then they locked them up for the thieving crooks that they are.

Here the government took out billions of pounds of loans and gave it to the banksters. Some estimates are £30,000 for every UK taxpayer!
We get to pay that back with interest for the rest of our days.
Far from locking up these bawbags, they didn't even lose their jobs. They continue to be paid obscene salaries and bonuses, funded with our money, for doing what exactly?
With your grasp of figures, you could have screwed the country up for a lot less money.

Ireland's debt is still rising, due to the constraints of being in the Euro.
The UK is not in the Euro but debt is still rising and at twice the rate of the Irish. Despite years of austerity, were actually in a worse situation now. Explain that one, if you can. :roll:

After 300 years, I'd say you're suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
But you couldn't possibly have anything European :lol:


That's ripe, if anyone is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome it's you, your Worship of the EU which has shackled you for 40 years and every day since it's creation has strengthened your shackles to the point that you have given up on democracy.

If you and the rest of the Indy brigade could only see that you 'll first need UK Independence from the greater tyranny which is the EU, then lets see how it pans out for all of us, and if that still is not enough independence for you then and only then should you seek further Independence from UK.

It's just plain daft to fight for independence from a lesser dominant union only to actively seek a greater dependance on an even bigger, more interfering and all controlling Union that is the EU!!

You'll not know what's hit you until it's to late once you rejoin the EU as a small bit player, you'll be in the Euro and in the Shengen agreement faster than you can say Wee Eck, you think your down at heel due and playing second fiddle to a Westminster government, boy, just wait until your a fully fledged subservient EU fringe nation without the present clout you have as being part of the UK. #-o


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:26 pm 
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That's ripe, if anyone is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome it's you, your Worship of the EU which has shackled you for 40 years and every day since it's creation has strengthened your shackles to the point that you have given up on democracy.


I don't worship the EU bloodnock. In fact I think you will find I'm on record as saying I'd be happy with independence in or out of the EU. My preference is for out, but I'm not getting in a lather about it like you are. It's something we as a nation can settle ourselves once we are independent.
Nor do I buy into the anti-EU, anti-foreigner hype being pumped out of every media outlet. The state of the UK is down to the banksters and their bought and paid for politicians.
Farage and his Little Englanders are a distraction from the real reasons the UK is screwed, and a bigger distraction from why the banksters want out of the EU.
They are just playing on the public's baser prejudices to get what they want. And so far, they are succeeding

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gusmac wrote:
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That's ripe, if anyone is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome it's you, your Worship of the EU which has shackled you for 40 years and every day since it's creation has strengthened your shackles to the point that you have given up on democracy.


I don't worship the EU bloodnock. In fact I think you will find I'm on record as saying I'd be happy with independence in or out of the EU. My preference is for out, but I'm not getting in a lather about it like you are. It's something we as a nation can settle ourselves once we are independent.
Nor do I buy into the anti-EU, anti-foreigner hype being pumped out of every media outlet. The state of the UK is down to the banksters and their bought and paid for politicians.
Farage and his Little Englanders are a distraction from the real reasons the UK is screwed, and a bigger distraction from why the banksters want out of the EU.
They are just playing on the public's baser prejudices to get what they want. And so far, they are succeeding



Unless we do something about the EU we are going to be screwed even harder for even longer, time we was out.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:47 am 
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Ukip is hammering the political elite in Westminster

A MOOD of rebellion is sweeping the country, fuelled by anger at the treachery and incompetence of our rulers.






The three main parties are now paying the price for treating the British public with contempt for far too long.

The widespread fury at the Westminster establishment has been crystalised by a couple of recent factors. One was the murder by two Muslim fanatics of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich, an atrocity that exposed the devastating failure of the state’s official dogma of multiculturalism.

Another is the growing recognition that, due to the EU’s systematic demolition of our borders, no fewer than 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will be able to settle here next year, with rights to claim housing, benefits, education and healthcare.

The public knows that Britain is facing an identity crisis. Our very integrity as an independent nation is under threat from European integration and mass immigration. In the face of this discontent, the politicians have reacted with a predictable mix of bullying and propaganda.

Prattling about the joys of diversity, politicians claim that millions of jobs are at risk if Britain does not remain under EU subjugation. But this bluster and blackmail is no longer effective. For voters now have a real alternative to the fashionable, destructive orthodoxy of the three main parties. The phenomenal rise in support for Ukip shows the strength of the public’s disillusion with a failing establishment. The latest poll, published at the weekend, shows Ukip on 21 per cent, far ahead of the Liberal Democrats on just six per cent, and just five points behind the Tories.

This follows remarkable results in last month’s county council elections, when Ukip won almost a quarter of the vote. Another recent survey showed that Ukip could top the poll in next year’s European parliamentary elections, driving the Tories into third place. And Nigel Farage, Ukip’s leader, is more popular than David Cameron or Ed Miliband.

Ukip’s surge is a disaster for the Conservatives. Cameron once described Farage’s party as a gang of “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists” but his offensive insult has backfired, with Ukip now almost on level terms with the Tories. In its sneering condescension, Cameron’s language encapsulated the arrogance of the progressive metropolitan elite. But it is precisely that patronising attitude which has done so much damage not only to the fabric of our country but also to the standing of the Tory party.

Indeed, the rise of Ukip is an indictment of Cameron’s entire modernisation strategy. He claimed he was reaching out to the centre ground through policies like green taxes, gay marriage and more foreign aid. But in truth, he only succeeded in alienating mainstream voters who want tough action on immigration and the EU. There is now an air of desperation about the Conservatives, as defections to Ukip mount and major donors withdraw.

Flailing around, Cameron and fellow senior Tories now try to sound tough with rhetoric about cracking down on benefit tourism and giving us a referendum on the EU. But their credibility is shot. The public no longer believes what they say. Ministers boast about cutting net immigration, for instance, but the reality is that more than 500,000 foreigners are still arriving here each year.

In the same vein, few people trust Cameron to stick to his pledge to hold a referendum on membership of the EU. Tory strategists try to comfort themselves with the thought that Ukip voters will flock back at the general election in 2015, when faced with the possibility of Ed Miliband becoming prime minister. But that is wishful thinking. The Ukip vote is more solid than the Conservatives admit.


The party's rise is an indictment of Cameron

Where I live, on the Isle of the Thanet in Kent, the Tories are in meltdown, having been the dominant party for decades. At the recent county elections, Ukip won every seat except one, while in a district council by-election last week, caused by the jailing of the former Tory leader for fraud, Ukip won easily with 41 per cent of the vote, the Conservatives slumping to just 17 per cent.
If Nigel Farage stood in either of the two Thanet seats, both currently held by Tory MPs, I have little doubt he would be elected in a landslide.

Indeed, there is a real possibility that the Conservatives could be obliterated at the next general election. That might sound far fetched, but it is exactly what happened in Canada in 1993. There the ruling but unpopular Progressive Conservative Party held 156 seats going into the campaign. But they came under severe pressure from the Reform Party, a populist, anti-Government, anti-immigration movement very similar to Ukip. Incredibly, the Conservatives lost all but two of their seats and were never a force again in Canadian politics.

Yet Labour shouldn’t be complacent about Ukip’s growth. It was telling that in the county council elections Ukip performed most strongly in traditional Labour areas. It’s hardly a surprise, given that it’s the working class, once backbone of the Labour movement, that has suffered most from mass immigration, the elite being insulated by their wealth.

These abandoned voters are hardly going to be won back by Miliband, who clings to the elitist progressive agenda. Whatever the outcome in 2015, Ukip has already transformed politics. The old parties can no longer suppress debates about immigration and the EU. The people of Britain are, at last, finding their voice.



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The biggest myth about voting UKIP is that leaving the EU will cost millions of jobs. That is utterly, mind-blowingly and crass bollox of the highest order.

Leaving the EU would claw back billions in a stroke and open the floodgates to economic ties with China, Russia and other strong emerging economies. Such a tiny percentage of our economy is with these emerging economies, it shows just blinkered and clueless many UK business CEOs are.

One thing is certain, telling the EU to get stuffed and going it alone will reap rewards so great, that the Tories and labourshites are shit scared to let us in on it.


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