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Lack of evidence.

However, in relation to this thread, to prove the point, that if anyone speaks out they are either branded a racist, or anti-Muslim.



Well done Gus.

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That's a good enough reason for you, but not for anyone else?

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Parent glad Jake Ormerod jailed for 10 years



The mother of a girl abused by Jake Ormerod has called him "scum".

Jake Ormerod, 20, of Babbacombe Road, Torquay admitted in May he abused eight girls, as young as 13, he met through Facebook.

He was sentenced to 10 years in prison at Exeter Crown Court.

The anonymous parent said: "The first thing that I think about Jake Ormerod is that I'm glad he's banged up."

'Cherry picked'

She said her daughter had known Ormerod for several years prior to the police investigation and had even stayed at his house after running away from home.

"He has worked through the last two, three probably four years grooming young vulnerable girls.

"Grooming them on the internet, in social situations, pretending to befriend them, shown them kindness and that he's a really decent, gentle guy, but he isn't.

"He has cherry picked them, worked on them and then sexually exploited them. So what do I think of Jake Ormerod, I think he's scum."

Letter Letters were sent out to parents who had school age children in the Torbay area during the investigation

The mother said she had a close relationship with her daughter and that while she admitted drink and drugs had been involved with Ormerod, she initially denied "sexual goings-on".

"I have since asked her what stopped her from telling me, and mostly it was shame, and what had happened. She felt responsible for it.

"The most important message that you can give to any child in this situation is that it is not their fault."

The police investigation, Operation Mansfield, started in January with Ormerod, of Babbacombe Road, arrested in February by officers investigating the exploitation of children from the Torbay and Teignbridge areas.

Thousands of parents at south Devon schools were sent letters informing them that a major child abuse investigation was being carried out by Devon and Cornwall Police.

She said her daughter had initially coped with the investigation saying "don't worry about it mum it hasn't scarred me for life" but "things didn't stay like that.

"She couldn't walk anywhere without seeing it on the paper or hearing about him on the news, and gradually she became very distraught about the whole thing."

Police said Ormerod was part of a paedophile gang which used Facebook to target victims, grooming and targeting homeless youngsters and picking them up outside schools.

Det Insp Simon Snell, who led the operation, said: "Slowly and surely they began to pretend that they were the boyfriends of the victims.

"But there is no way these girls could pretend to be the girlfriends of sex offenders."

During the court case Ormerod admitted one charge of sexual assault on a child, and 12 charges of sexual activity with a child - seven when he was aged under 18 and five when he was 18, over a three year period.

The victim's mother said: "I think she's on the mend, but she's been in a very dark place. She has had to revisit situations, emotions, thoughts about herself.

"I'm not advocating locking up your daughters, but we all need to be so vigilant and keep channels of communication.

"There's only one person who's responsible for this and that is the perpetrator, that is Jake Ormerod."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-14069804

sentence reduced;

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Devon-sex- ... z2W14BoWxW

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Timeline: Plymouth child sex abuse case

Events leading up to the arrest of Vanessa George, Colin Blanchard and Angela Allen

2002


Colin Blanchard is given a police caution after being found in possession of indecent images of children. He is put on the sex offenders' register.

September 2006


Vanessa George becomes a nursery worker at Little Ted's in Plymouth. She had previously worked in a school as a classroom assistant for around six years.

2007

Blanchard is automatically removed from the sex offenders' register - which is normal practice five years after a caution.

2008


George, who is married with two teenage children, begins taking an interest in meeting men online and engaging in "sexual chat".

At this time George meets Blanchard via the internet. They both say the meeting is via Facebook. The date of the first online meeting is unclear.

September 2008


Blanchard meets Angela Allen. Again both say it is via Facebook.

December 2008 to Blanchard's arrest in June 2009


There are 10,000 contacts via phone, text, email or MSN between George and Blanchard.

29 December 2008 to 10 June 2009


George makes 124 indecent images of children.

Late April, early May 2009


Blanchard introduces Allen to George. The three exchange graphic images of children being abused – and images of themselves in sexual poses. Blanchard claims he loves both women, though he has never actually met them.

5 June 2009


A business partner of Blanchard contacts police after finding indecent images on his computer. His offices in Manchester are raided.

6 June


Blanchard is arrested at Manchester airport after returning from Dubai.

His laptop and mobile phone are taken from him and examined. Explicit images of very young children of both sexes are found. Some show child abuse. Blanchard tells police the images were sent to him by "Vee George".

8 June


Vee George is identified as being Vanessa George from Plymouth. George is arrested at once as she is considered a serious risk to children.

9 June


All agencies are briefed in Plymouth and a multi-agency panel set up. A public meeting is called to keep the community informed. Blanchard appears in court for the first time.

10 June


Police switchboards are jammed by worried Plymouth parents. George is charged with child abuse and making indecent images. She is jeered and spat at when she attends court.

16 June


Police identify a second woman Blanchard is in contact with whom he calls Ang Bank, as Angela Allen, from Nottingham.

17 June


Allen is arrested.

28 July


George and Allen appear in court together – the first time they have met.

August 2009


Up to 270 Plymouth families – 313 children – are involved in the police inquiry.

1 October 2009


The three appear together at Bristol crown court and plead guilty to a catalogue of child sex abuse charges. It is the first time Blanchard has met the two women in person.

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You are off topic with your irrelevant response CC. Honestly, I wonder about you sometimes, it's like you've failed to engage your brain coming up with that shi*.

That Asian Grooming Gangs do exist, where have they been for the last 15-20 years??

http://news.sky.com/story/1101483/groom ... s-do-exist

"There is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation," the committee report said.

"However, evidence presented to us suggests that there is a model of localised grooming of Pakistani-heritage men targeting young white girls."

It went on: "This must be acknowledged by official agencies, who we were concerned to hear in some areas of particular community tension, had reportedly been slow to draw attention to the issue for fear of affecting community cohesion.

"The condemnation from those communities of this vile crime should demonstrate that there is no excuse for tip-toeing around this issue.

"It is important that police, social workers and others be able to raise their concerns freely, without fear of being labelled racist."

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And I suppose the average Muslim has no right to object to being labeled a paedophile, just because some are?

Shall we throw all of their families on the streets too, unless they turned them in?
Be a bit tricky finding evidence of who knew what, so let's not bother eh?
No bollox about them not knowing, just chuck them out.

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No one is labeling anyone. Did you actually read the article Gusmac? And no one is talking about throwing their families out into the streets. This has nothing to do with radical Islam. It's a sex crime perpetrated by Asian men grooming young white women for sex and no one speaking out, for fear of being labeled a racist.

A trend of Asian men grooming white girls does exist and authorities must be able to freely raise concerns without fear of being labelled racist, MPs have said.

You really need to look at your debating skills Gus. This is very poor stuff.

Talk about liberal extremism, you have lost the plot.

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My arse.
It's about your ongoing campaign to demonise the Muslim community any way you can.
And that is your only real interest in this.

BTW where is the consistency Skull?
If the family of a Muslim convicted of spreading hate can be turfed on the streets, why not the family of a Muslim paedophile?

Or the families of white atheists spreading hate, for that matter?

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Gusmac writes:


It was Nidge, who put up the thread, not me. I merely queried the absence of comment and the connection with being labeled a racist for doing so. And I think you, Toots and CC, quite adequately proved my point.




Maybe because it’s a completely different crime, and it’s like trying to compare apples and turnips, they bear almost no relationship to each other.



We are back to the atheist wearing hat's argument.

Now if you want to believe that atheists are killing people because of their beliefs, it's nonsense. There is no evidence whatsoever to support this ridiculous claim, but this is your call also. Their lack of belief (this is me) in a faith is incidental to the real motives behind their ideals. It's like people who are committing murders, which are all wearing hats and pointing to the hat as evidence for this person being instrumental in genocide.

Deary me...

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Gusmac, your problem seems to lie with your radical liberal views and the ridiculous stretch of your assertions in support of your argument. And then, it’s your use of personal innuendo in a last ditched attempt to score a point.

Deary me...

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So Skull you want to debate a statement and you made that obvious with the first post after the initial story



That to me just seems like a challenge to comment, which we have in abundance. It may be news to you but not every discussion is a debate ffs

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Don't you remember telling me on a previous thread that a debate is just a discussion ffs?

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It was you who said it was a discussion, I said it was a formal discussion. I'd like to think that once in a while you could have an informal discussion, but, apparently not

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Toots, I think I said a debate was a discussion in which reasons are advanced for or against some proposition or proposal, but really, who gives a fu*k, some points are just not worth the energy.

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Like your constant repetitive posts, you advance with your reasons then just keep repeating them over and over again and you're insulting as well, not a good quality in a debate imo. Good night

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