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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:38 pm 
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Grangemouth 'Ineos' ....... 'b*stards' .... 800 thrown on the dole


Ineos has this morning adopted a 'scorched earth' policy in terms of being a petrochemical provider for Scotland and the North of England.

Ineos the petrochemical plant at the giant Grangemouth complex in central Scotland is to close with the loss of about 800 jobs, owner Ineos has announced. The news was broken to the workforce at the plant this morning at a meeting within the associated oil refinery.

The dispute at the plant, near Falkirk, began over the treatment of a union official and escalated to the threat of strike action. This was dropped but the operator shut down the plant and issued an offer of revised terms and conditions in a "survival plan", which was rejected by union members.

The reality of the situation at 'Ineos', management are on a 'cuts agenda' - a race to the bottom, a slash and burn energy policy. The company refused and had no intention of seeking arbitration at ACAS.

Respect For the Unemployed & Benefit Claimants chairman said: "We stand shoulder to shoulder with those workers 'dumped on the dole' this morning. The message is clear; the people of Scotland and the north of England will not give in to the 'bully boy tactics' of Ineos. The people are united against this bully. Livelihoods of a loyal workforce, decent men and women have now been thrown into the gutter of unemployment by these industrial wreckers - Ineos has this morning adopted a 'scorched earth' policy in terms of being a petrochemical provider for Scotland and the North of England".

Thirteen trade unions from across the world representing 15,000 Ineos workers are standing side by side to demand that Ineos CEO Jim Ratcliffe and Ineos management reverse this industrial vandalism and end the attacks on its Scottish workforce.

In the letter the leaders of the 13 trade unions write: "We want the senior management of Ineos to know that we stand side by side in solidarity with our colleagues. We ask that Ineos immediately stops the intrusive and intimidatory investigations and threats of dismissal against Stephen Deans and agrees a sensible timetable for talks with Unite on the future of Grangemouth."


Unions from the United States, Switzerland, Sweden and Germany to name a few have written to Ineos management to express their serious concern about the recent events at Grangemouth, which has seen the company launch an unprecedented attack against the Ineos workforce.

The statement has been signed by the leaders of ABVV - FGTB, Belguim; ACV - CSC, Belgium; CFE - CGT, France; FNIC - CGT, France; FNV Bondgennoten, Holland; IGBCE, Germany; IF Metall, Sweden, Industi Energi, Norway; Syna, Switzerland; Uiltec, Italy; UFCW, USA; USW, USA and Canada.

Ineos arrogantly ignored the appeal and SACKED 800. Workers leaving the staff meeting, which lasted about 15 minutes, spoke of their utter contempt towards the company describing it as "shocking". Workers claimed that Grangemouth Petrochemicals chairman Calum Maclean had been "smiling" when he made the announcement.

Another worker, who did not want to be named, said: "I feel sick. It's gone. There's no livelihoods left and we don't even know if we're going to get redundancy out of it. I hope they're happy with themselves."

The worker, who appeared close to tears at points, said he could only listen to about 10 minutes of the meeting, before he felt he had to leave. He went on: "There are folk in there have a husband and wife work here. That's it. Folk will be lucky if they have a house at Christmas."

Ineos said liquidators for the petrochemical plant would be appointed within a week. Ineos chairman and founder Jim Ratcliffe had said at the weekend that if the petrochemical plant closed it was likely the refinery would go as well.

Ineos has justified the attacks, claiming the company faces financial difficulties, but accounting experts blew a hole in Ineos’ claims over its finances. An independent analysis released by Unite the Union shows that Ineos ‘Chemicals’ expects to make profits of half a billion pounds in the coming years and that labour costs including pensions account for just under 17 per cent of total turnover.

Unite wrote to the anti-avoidance arm of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to investigate the tax affairs of the Ineos Group amid concerns that the company's arrangements ‘obfuscate the true position of Ineos' UK activities’. The formal request follows questions about apparent accounting contradictions in Ineos’ ‘Chemical’ accounts which simultaneously paint both a gloomy and upbeat assessment of the company's finances and future profitability.

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This could give the SNP the biggest boost for a YES vote than it ever imagined.

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cabby john wrote:
This could give the SNP the biggest boost for a YES vote than it ever imagined.


If they play it right no doubt it will - and rightly so - what is happening will devastate the area and effectively asset strip Scotland - the fact its foreign owned, depriving to Scottish people of jobs and the Scottish economy will have serious repercussions to the debate - if played right.

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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:
This could give the SNP the biggest boost for a YES vote than it ever imagined.


If they play it right no doubt it will - and rightly so - what is happening will devastate the area and effectively asset strip Scotland - the fact its foreign owned, depriving to Scottish people of jobs and the Scottish economy will have serious repercussions to the debate - if played right.


This could be the catalyst for the Unions to take back industry that is screwing the British people over and over. A National strike !!!...........maybe =D>

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cabby john wrote:

This could be the catalyst for the Unions to take back industry that is screwing the British people over and over. A National strike !!!...........maybe =D>


would love to think so - but where would the political support come from - labour are as corrupt as the government

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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

This could be the catalyst for the Unions to take back industry that is screwing the British people over and over. A National strike !!!...........maybe =D>


would love to think so - but where would the political support come from - labour are as corrupt as the government


You're not wrong there, when Cameron said 'we're all in this together' he wasn't talking about the public he was referring to the politicians and their corrupt, de-moralising antics :sad:

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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

This could be the catalyst for the Unions to take back industry that is screwing the British people over and over. A National strike !!!...........maybe =D>


would love to think so - but where would the political support come from - labour are as corrupt as the government


You cannot as you say rely on political parties, so it is time for the Unions to lead. The political climate is right at the moment.........and it is time for the TUC to grow a pair of balls. The people of Scotland would lead just as they did re the poll tax, this could cause the break up of the U.K..........I feel their pain.

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cabby john wrote:

You cannot as you say rely on political parties, so it is time for the Unions to lead. The political climate is right at the moment.........and it is time for the TUC to grow a pair of balls. The people of Scotland would lead just as they did re the poll tax, this could cause the break up of the U.K..........I feel their pain.



If it leads to that - then that would be the fault of the UK - not Scotland.

I cannot in all honesty fathom what some folks have said about this on other threads on TDO............it appears to be the fault of the workers.......they suggest using foreign labour........yet they appear to despise foreign labour doing their jobs ffs ](*,)

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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

You cannot as you say rely on political parties, so it is time for the Unions to lead. The political climate is right at the moment.........and it is time for the TUC to grow a pair of balls. The people of Scotland would lead just as they did re the poll tax, this could cause the break up of the U.K..........I feel their pain.



If it leads to that - then that would be the fault of the UK - not Scotland.

I cannot in all honesty fathom what some folks have said about this on other threads on TDO............it appears to be the fault of the workers.......they suggest using foreign labour........yet they appear to despise foreign labour doing their jobs ffs ](*,)



I have not seen what has been said on other forums Or for that matter on here. If I am any judge it will be the same people who begrudged the "Tanker Drivers" the wages that they received - conveniently sidestepping the vulgar profits that these companies make, that benefit them and not the country that they are made in.

The other can of worms being muted is whether the company are paying their correct tax or not, obviously nobody believes that this is a loss making company..........and it seriously needs looking into.

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I have not seen what has been said on other forums Or for that matter on here. If I am any judge it will be the same people who begrudged the "Tanker Drivers" the wages that they received - conveniently sidestepping the vulgar profits that these companies make, that benefit them and not the country that they are made in.

The other can of worms being muted is whether the company are paying their correct tax or not, obviously nobody believes that this is a loss making company..........and it seriously needs looking into.



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If union cooperated 100% it would still take a £300m investment to keep the site open, they may well decide that money is better spent elsewhere where unions won't constantly be threatening strikes. If the workers decided to kick Unite out then that may help.


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cabby john wrote:
This could give the SNP the biggest boost for a YES vote than it ever imagined.



Not according to the Telegraph, I knew there was some overspill from the Falkirk selection-rigging row, but I hadn't realised it was so serious:



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy ... lmond.html


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cabby john wrote:
captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

This could be the catalyst for the Unions to take back industry that is screwing the British people over and over. A National strike !!!...........maybe =D>


would love to think so - but where would the political support come from - labour are as corrupt as the government


You cannot as you say rely on political parties, so it is time for the Unions to lead. The political climate is right at the moment.........and it is time for the TUC to grow a pair of balls. The people of Scotland would lead just as they did re the poll tax, this could cause the break up of the U.K..........I feel their pain.


Your right John ...............but of course Unions are the membership..............and of course even Socialists within Unions get fitted up evidently take a look at the Labour Representation committe web site or indeed on here THE GMB sorting a good leftie evidently :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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If union cooperated 100% it would still take a £300m investment to keep the site open, they may well decide that money is better spent elsewhere where unions won't constantly be threatening strikes. If the workers decided to kick Unite out then that may help.


Yes, that worked out so well for the Nottinghamshire miners, didn't it?
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