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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:38 pm 
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Dougie, have you ever tried to get information by way of an FOI request or asked for an investigation from the SPSO or made a police complaint? Oh and Dougie, have you ever been through the courts to see how the system doesn't work?

There are buffers set up to stop you holding anyone in the Scottish Government to account.

Christ, the police investigated the police. Lawyers investigate Lawyers, and the SPSO is a boy's club.

Dougie, there is very little transparency of Government and no direct accountability to speak of and if your think there is and that the system works, you are delusional, and you have no idea what you are talking about. #-o

Let's take the SPSO for starters... http://www.scottishombudsmanwatch.org/index.html

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Dougie, have you ever tried to get information by way of an FOI request or asked for an investigation from the SPSO or made a police complaint? Oh and Dougie, have you ever been through the courts to see how the system doesn't work?

There are buffers set up to stop you holding anyone in the Scottish Government to account.

Christ, the police investigated the police. Lawyers investigate Lawyers, and the SPSO is a boy's club.

Dougie, there is very little transparency of Government and no direct accountability to speak of and if your think there is and that the system works, you are delusional, and you have no idea what you are talking about. #-o

Let's take the SPSO for starters... http://www.scottishombudsmanwatch.org/index.html

Is it much easier or fairer in other parts of the UK Skull?

Most of the Independence debate and what matters most to the voter was highlighted by Skippy, it's about grassroots policy, you can't argue that current grassroots policy is proving that the Scottish government is acting in the best interest of the Scottish people but it's limited by Westminster control.

What your highlighting is for those who know not for cabbies an the common man, I've seen articles concerning what your saying but I don't care about them because I don't need and never will.

Sorting out the problems you mention will happen under the government we hopefully elect as our first Independent Government, Voting yes comes with a demand for more political accountability and a political system that acts in the best interest of the Scottish people, an Indy gov will deliver I'm sure!

But please highlight for others, not me, how Westminster differs concerning your concerns.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:26 pm 
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Dougie, you asked me for evidence and the best you could come back with is finger pointing to Westminster.

The fact is, there is virtually no transparency of Government and no direct accountability to the public and there is nothing to suggest that anything will change come independence. #-o

In fact, it may get a lot worse. Police Stop and Search, is four times that of police south of the border and spying on your phone calls, and Internet data is carried out on not much more than a nod and a wink by a senior police officer. So our privacy is already under attack.

So please, spare us this dream you are trying to peddle because it's complete bollocks. Turkeys like Salmond and MacAskill are not in the habit of voting for Christmas. Oh and Dougie, pointing to Westminster is not a good reason to vote for independence, if you can't prove there is something better. #-o

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Oh and Dougie, here is your equitable Government at work http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-25731836 #-o

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It boils down to Trust Skull, Westminster or Holyrood?

We have to trust one?

It's Holyrood for me and in an independent Scotland :D

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It boils down to Trust Skull, Westminster or Holyrood?

We have to trust one?

It's Holyrood for me and in an independent Scotland :D



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Dougie, are you completely off your head, trust has nothing to do with it. It's about accountability of government.

Honestly, Dougie, people like you are not competent to vote. I would vote for independence in a heartbeat, if they could sell it to me on transparency and accountability of government but the truth is, they don't want to talk about it. #-o Oh and that's without even speaking about fiscal policy, which is at best, a pipe dream. #-o

So far, there is no reason I can see, that would make the new gang any different from the old gang. #-o

And you want to base your vote on "trust." #-o Dougie, you and your chum Guzzy, are a fu*king madmen. #-o #-o

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Skull wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
It boils down to Trust Skull, Westminster or Holyrood?

We have to trust one?

It's Holyrood for me and in an independent Scotland :D



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"It boils down to Trust."
Dougie, are you completely off your head, trust has nothing to do with it. It's about accountability of government.

Honestly, Dougie, people like you are not competent to vote. I would vote for independence in a heartbeat, if they could sell it to me on transparency and accountability of government but the truth is, they don't want to talk about it. #-o Oh and that's without even speaking about fiscal policy, which is at best, a pipe dream. #-o

So far, there is no reason I can see, that would make the new gang any different from the old gang. #-o

And you want to base your vote on "trust." #-o Dougie, you and your chum Guzzy, are a fu*king madmen. #-o #-o

As previously stated, the Scottish people are more likely to hold politicians and political parties accountable and make that accountability count at elections, we get it just now, it's effective, you can't disagree that within an independent Scotland we will get to vote for the party that offers you your wish of Transparency and accountability.

Those who are charged with holding Westminster Accountable are all bought or members of the old guard, the House of Lords is outdated and should be scrapped just like Westminster I may add, it's time for change, I agree with you on accountability and transparency but the only way we are ever going to get it is by change, Westminster ain't going to change, a change is going to come and it's with a vote Yes!

Cometh the hour Skull I feel you will vote for change, this is what the debate is all about though bringing views to the table, it lets politicians know what the electorate wants, the only side of the debate that can deliver that change is?

I'll let you decide whom you think will deliver, my views are clear!

Vote Yes :D

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As previously stated, the Scottish people are more likely to hold politicians and political parties accountable and make that accountability count at elections, we get it just now, it's effective, you can't disagree that within an independent Scotland we will get to vote for the party that offers you your wish of Transparency and accountability.


Dougie, what is this [edited by admin] and what are you wittering on about? #-o #-o #-o

Having the choice of perhaps three mainstream parties, who all straddle the centre right of the political spectrum, is no choice at all. It's like choosing between the guillotine, hanging or lethal injection.

Oh and as far as accountability of government, it's about having the procedural mechanism in place to apply the rules that hold people to account for their actions. Voting someone out of office and then voting in more of the same, four years later, is exactly what we have now. #-o #-o #-o #-o


What the fu*k are you going on about Dougie????? #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

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Oh and Dougie, as far as I am aware, there is no plan to have a revising chamber within Scottish government, which should concern everyone voting for independence. Where's the public scrutiny for the proposals put forward by government, which means, even less accountability? #-o

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Dougie, you and Guzzy, need to stop pretending that you have a clue what you are talking about and just say, you want to take a gamble that at some point, in the distant future, independence might pay off for everyone. :-|

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Oh and Dougie, as far as I am aware, there is no plan to have a revising chamber within Scottish government, which should concern everyone voting for independence. Where's the public scrutiny for the proposals put forward by government, which means, even less accountability? #-o

A Scottish council has been muted, just not House of Lords style, ordinary people from all sectors of the community Skull, I've muted the idea a few times and will some more, I believe in Accountabilty :wink:

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Dougie, you and Guzzy, need to stop pretending that you have a clue what you are talking about and just say, you want to take a gamble that at some point, in the distant future, independence might pay off for everyone. :-|

It is a gamble Skull, the odds though are stacked highly in Scotland's favour, mine and many others opinion of course :D

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The debate is mainly about getting independence first, then we have 18 months to debate what the constitution will include, I agree with what you are saying Skull but you are like Jim Sillars, distracting with debate that is for a later date :wink:

Vote Yes and don't waste this opportunity :wink:

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The debate is mainly about getting independence first, then we have 18 months to debate what the constitution will include, I agree with what you are saying Skull but you are like Jim Sillars, distracting with debate that is for a later date :wink:

Vote Yes and don't waste this opportunity :wink:



Now that's a fair point, but I would say, show the people what they stand to gain from independence, and in particular, how the political system will change for the better, transparency of government, public scrutiny, accountability, etc.


Honestly, Dougie, I think you are being taken for a ride.... eusasmiles.zip

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My opinions are my own Skull, I'm always up for a debate or three, I think I hold my own in most, I never get personal M8

When someone gets personal, I take that as a win :D

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