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 Post subject: Re: Advertising on PH
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:01 pm 
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I believe that it is illegal for a PH to resemble a taxi in any shape or form, in some cities PH can only advertise a company sticker on the rear doors of their saloon cars, but as we know some company cars ignore this by having company sticker in the windows, and on some occations across the bonnet, and some companies use the peugeot taxi as a PH vehicle and licensing doesn't do anything to prevent this happening so confussing the public even more.


The local licensing authority applies vehicle conditions for both Hackney Carriage and Private hire vehicles, within the strict definition of what is reasonable. You may find that in those authorities that predominantly licence saloon type vehicles as Hackney carriages the only difference between the two is the illuminated Hire sign and perhaps the colour of the vehicles. However, in most cases in these modern times an authority will not allow a traditional London type Taxi to be licensed as a private hire vehicle but I expect there may be exceptions.

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But GBC is correct about fare-gouging, and that's why taxi fares are regulated, and if they had not then the black cabs would have been asking astronomical fares as well.


In your opinion? :?


So you think that if the 24,000 drivers could charge their own fares then no one would have taken advantage of 7/7 to charge higher fares?

I would think not, but in this regard your opinion is probably no more valid than mine.

A couple of questions:

1 Do you now think there's a case for PH fares to be regulated?

2 What did you and your fellow black cab drivers do with the extra profits you made on 7/7?

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Sussex wrote:
The new proposed guidance from the DfT sort of meets in the middle, but if they banned roof-lights, you might see a grown man cry. :cry:


Of course, they can't 'ban' rooflights, but who knows, they might have banned quotas by them, so you may be crying tears of joy :D

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 Post subject: Re: Advertising on PH
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:27 pm 
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Of course, they can't 'ban' rooflights, but who knows, they might have banned quotas by them, so you may be crying tears of joy :D

Indeed, a fair compromise. :wink:

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Well you may disagree with him, but does that mean he's talking out of his anal passage?

After all, there's a plausibe case for saying that the black cab trade is over-regulated, particularly in relation to the KOL and vehicle standards, and indeed you make the latter case quite eloquently and persuasively yourself.

And since even some in the black cab make the former case, you can hardly just dismiss it as people talking out of their nether regions.

You're too black and white GBC.

And not just in relation to race :lol:



The anal reference was directed at the comment about me being subsidised, its the first I knew about it.

Over regulated with regard to the vehicles? Yes i'll agree, have'nt said otherwise.

Over regulated with the process that turns out the finest Taxi drivers in the land? No, i'll happily keep that process in place.

I would rather keep the career cab men that the fly by night people that make up the minicab trade in London.

Black and White? Keep things simple I say, otherwise I'll start looking for hidden aganda's and conspiracy theorys. :wink:


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I would rather keep the career cab men that the fly by night people that make up the minicab trade in London. AND SUSSEX...mrT


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So you think that if the 24,000 drivers could charge their own fares then no one would have taken advantage of 7/7 to charge higher fares?

I would think not, but in this regard your opinion is probably no more valid than mine.

A couple of questions:

1 Do you now think there's a case for PH fares to be regulated?

2 What did you and your fellow black cab drivers do with the extra profits you made on 7/7?



There would probably been the usual one or two, but not the usual few hundred from the other side.

As always I make reference to the vast majority.

Put it another way, I listen to a lot of radio, and I never heard ANY bad remarks about the Taxi trade.

PH fares to be regulated? Don't have any real views on this.
I suppose anything that prevents them from overcharging is a good thing.
A lot of the big minicab outfits charge more than us already since licensing was imposed on them.

As for where any money made that day went, well I guess since we charged no more than what we usualy do, and London was empty by 8 'o' clock the drivers would do what they usualy do with their wages.

Probably the same as the Bus drivers did that day, and the Police, and the bakers, and the candlestick makers. . . . . . . .

If your, to use your favorite word, aluding to the fact that we all made huge sums of cash that day, then yours truly took home no more than I usualy do thanks to a very early imposed finish

My original point was that some minicab firms were GROSSLY overcharging customers, now thats wrong, not going about your job which you do every day.

If it makes you feel better i've donated to the bombing appeal, as no doubt has many other London Taxi drivers.

Perhaps you would like to contribute Dusty?

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/london-b ... f-fund.jsp


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I would rather keep the career cab men that the fly by night people that make up the minicab trade in London. AND SUSSEX...mrT


What Sussex works in the London Minicab trade?

I'll give you some lessons on how to chant 'Taxhee Taxhee' whilst flashing your headlights and sounding your horn.

Or ask Ollie the clown. :lol:


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I would rather keep the career cab men that the fly by night people that make up the minicab trade in London. AND SUSSEX...mrT

I expect you would cos without them you wouldn't earn a penny.

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So who subsidises the Black Cabs then?

If you were targeting subsidised transport, you need only look at the buses.


I wish someone would subsidise my cab. As for the buses most are now 'Private companys'. Do they get subsidised?

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You bet they get subsidised. They are subsidised in almost everything they do. No VAT, Fuel Duty rebate, and subsidies from the Local Authorities, County Authorities, Rural Bus Grant, in fact all sorts of bus grants, and as if that were not enough, it is about one fifth of the price of a Hackney, to licence a 73 seater. And you dont have CRBs every year, or medicals every year, until you are 45.

Plus you get Bus Lanes to help you get through.

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greenbadgecabby wrote:

Over regulated with the process that turns out the finest Taxi drivers in the land? No, i'll happily keep that process in place.

I would rather keep the career cab men that the fly by night people that make up the minicab trade in London.



Yes, I'm all for encouraging the former and discouraging the latter, but the historical problem is that London has played host to the totally unregulated minicab sector as compared to the arguabley over-regulated black cab trade.

It's one extreme to the other, and of course the black cab trade were instrumental in minicabs staying unregulated.

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There would probably been the usual one or two, but not the usual few hundred from the other side.

As always I make reference to the vast majority.


So is it one or two, or could it even be three :shock:

If you're saying you always just refer to the vast majority, then surely if only a few hundred minicab drivers upped their prices, then the vast majority didn't, as with the black cab side?

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Put it another way, I listen to a lot of radio, and I never heard ANY bad remarks about the Taxi trade.


My point was that if the taxi fares had been unregulated then some would have upped the prices, but fares are regulated, so what you heard on the radio hardly disproves my point.

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PH fares to be regulated? Don't have any real views on this.
I suppose anything that prevents them from overcharging is a good thing.
A lot of the big minicab outfits charge more than us already since licensing was imposed on them.


I think the dominant view in the taxi trade is that if fares were regulated then this would further legitimse them and/or blur the line with taxis.

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As for where any money made that day went, well I guess since we charged no more than what we usualy do, and London was empty by 8 'o' clock the drivers would do what they usualy do with their wages.


Well the tenor of your remarks at the time was that you had a more lucrative day than usual, which doesn't require higher fares, as you well know :wink:

My point was essentially that you to an extent you took advantage of the situation and made more money than usual, a la the minicabs.

Even if you didn't make more, you're not trying to say that all but one or two taxi drivers would have given their extra earnings to charity, say, if you had made more?


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If your, to use your favorite word, aluding to the fact that we all made huge sums of cash that day, then yours truly took home no more than I usualy do thanks to a very early imposed finish


Well it's obviously not your favourite word, since there's two Ls in allude :wink: But I wonder if I use that word any more than you say 'taxee taxee'?

But if you got the night off for the same dosh, then you did gain some advantage?

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My original point was that some minicab firms were GROSSLY overcharging customers, now thats wrong, not going about your job which you do every day.

If it makes you feel better i've donated to the bombing appeal, as no doubt has many other London Taxi drivers.


Well done.

Yes, I agree with your sentiments about minicabs taking advantage, but my point was that it's surely not as black and white as you say, it's a question of degree.

By the same token, if London drivers are the finest in the land, do you mean all of them, or just the average London taxi driver. I mean, is every London driver 'finer' than every other taxi driver in the UK?

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Ah! Heres that empty room again.


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Your interpretation of the facts always amazes me.

No matter what I, or indeed others write, you manage to twist it round to exactly what you want to see opposed to what the truth is with inuendo's, theorys and opinions and your interpretation of the facts. :?

Lucky I actualy did the work in the place concerned, on the date concerned.

You are aware Alistair Campbell has departed and the vacancy still exists?


Taxee taxee, etc. :wink:


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