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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:19 pm 
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Tom Thumb wrote:
Oh I would say to you that it shouldn't be licenced.

Three years would be my limit. A car over that age could look in immaculate condition and still be a death trap. It is having a history of ownership that I find most important.



Our LA has mumbled about an age rule now and again Tom, but there's always such a stink that they quietly forget about it.

About a third of the fleet here is 8-12 years old or a bit older, there are one or two very good for their age, but the others just show it (age, I mean!).

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On the insurance front, I would say about 30% saving based on the rates we are quoted.

On the maintenance issue, it is well known that an owner driver (single driver in the car) can operate it cheaper than a multi-driver, and especially so if he does a bit of his own maintenance. It would be very interesting to put some figures together, but difficult to draw a final conclusion, as factors like increased patronage because the cars are newer is often a factor too.

Fuel consumption is yet another factor. Our newer cars are much better on fuel than the older ones.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:05 pm 
We had an age limit proposed in Fife not long ago but the stuff reeally hit the fan.

One operator in buckhaven said that if it came in he'd have to get rid of his whole fleet.

the tories, 2 out of 78 councillors said that if we cant run old cherished cars then we might be running cut and shuts instead. There are plenty old ones but I cant think of many that are cherished exactly.

Then there was a big stink about insurance write ofs, theres a few in the area apparently, but no cut and shuts.

I cant think what would happen if we had a three year rule as mentioned in another message this one of ours is only 8.

The word is that it will be knocked back.

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Andy wrote:
On the insurance front, I would say about 30% saving based on the rates we are quoted.


Andy, as I've mentioned in another thread, Westminster give the same insurance quote (albeit max no-claims), no matter what license vehicle you drive, or it's age.

If the council pass it, then that's good enough for them. Not saying they do that nationally, especially in those dear areas up North, but they do down in safe old Sussex. :D


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Jeez Dusty! Many cabs bought for less than £1,250? Do the peeps in your manor ever question what their operating costs are? It costs a fortune to keep old motors on the road when you are doing the kind of mileage each of us does in a year. Not to mention the downtime when they are in for repairs.


Well I'd like to see comparative costs Andy, no doubt your analysis is correct in some cases, but in general terms I would say that older cars are cheaper to run.

In my manor I would say that the old cars seem to give less bother than the newer ones, although I wouldn't like to generalise, but I know that some of the lads who've invested big money have had endless expense and problems.

On the other hand, some of the older ones seem to have gone two or three times round the clock and can generally be repaired quite cheaply.

Of course it depends on warranty and suchlike.

On a related point, does anyone have comparative figures for fully comp and TFO insurance on similar cars.

In other words, what would be the insurance saving on an old heap TPO as compared to a newer motor fully comp.

Dusty


my experience newer cars are cheaper to run and cheaper to insure as well, its a falicy that the value has any bearing to insurers,

they like to think you are less lightly to pile up your new merc that yer old datsun.

but there we are we are hillbilies.

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as for the system dusty you clearly dont understand it feeding is no longer a problem.

Wharfie


Please explain??

Dusty


Well first of all I have no detailed knowledge of Auriga I only know its the touts favorite but I will try.

the bitch recieves the calls and feeds them into the computer, the boys in the cars draw the jobs down automaticaly on thier in car thingies based on the criterion fed into computer, (ours is nearest car to the job)

so there is no feeding cos its auto despach.
also the boy racers have the capability in ringing the customer when they are outside, it does other wonderful things like makes driver statements.

streamline in Brighton is no longer an organisation where feeding can take place.

but the bitch still has to make the tea the blasted kitt wont do that!
Wharfie

Wharfie you should know better " no feeding" with the auriga tut tut they put it on manual and thats how they feed, plus they put codes in the system for there own cars so it makes the big jobs go to them automatic


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Well we have used Auriga for longer than I can remember, and we have been using the full GPS ct3000 kit for quite a while now. Howver, no system can be foolproof if it is used by dishonest people out to screw everyone else.

If the purchaser is an individual then of course the set can be made in their favour. If the set up is with an equal membership association, and any cheating is discovered between driver and dispatcher then the consquences are obvious.


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Well we have used Auriga for longer than I can remember, and we have been using the full GPS ct3000 kit for quite a while now. Howver, no system can be foolproof if it is used by dishonest people out to screw everyone else.

If the purchaser is an individual then of course the set can be made in their favour. If the set up is with an equal membership association, and any cheating is discovered between driver and dispatcher then the consquences are obvious.




obvious?


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Of course obvious...but something that seems to be missed by some.


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Of course obvious...but something that seems to be missed by some.


comon tell me what you are getting at, the message aint clear.

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??????????????? Well... I make a statement as to how it is... You make a statement stating "Obvious" I then think ok, but why the remark. So I state |"Of course obvious...but something that seems to be missed by some."

Which means that whatever the sytem is installed relies on the honesty and integrity of the people that run it. Which means that ultimately all systems on that point are exactly the same regardless of however many thousands of pounds are spent.... a point which is missed by some.

There is no hidden message.


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If Auriga's system can be adjusted to feed the bosses, then that's a big pile of poo, and they can stick it. :(

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:49 pm 
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??????????????? Well... I make a statement as to how it is... You make a statement stating "Obvious" I then think ok, but why the remark. So I state |"Of course obvious...but something that seems to be missed by some."

Which means that whatever the sytem is installed relies on the honesty and integrity of the people that run it. Which means that ultimately all systems on that point are exactly the same regardless of however many thousands of pounds are spent.... a point which is missed by some.

There is no hidden message.


no I didnt say "obvious" I said Obvious?

frankly I dont know what you are getting at......................so its best to leave it.

you think I can read your mind, frankly I cannot.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:24 pm 
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If Auriga's system can be adjusted to feed the bosses, then that's a big pile of poo, and they can stick it. :(

Alex


What a terribly niaive post there Alex.

The system, as with all on the market, is configurable to the client. The client is the boss!

I have mine set up to work how I want it to work. It works the way that best suits my company and its principles.


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Tom Thumb wrote:
What a terribly niaive post there Alex.

The system, as with all on the market, is configurable to the client. The client is the boss!

I have mine set up to work how I want it to work. It works the way that best suits my company and its principles.


I think there is a huge difference between the way you operate Tom and the way others operate.

Yes, you are the boss, but you employ your drivers. Whereas where I work (not sure about Alex), I pay into the pot like everyone else.

So if the boss is feeding his own cars, then he is screwing those that have helped pay for the system in the first place.

I can't see why anyone would need to set a system that gives the better jobs to some cars, other than to take the p*** out of the rest. :(


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