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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:01 pm 
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Sky blue pink with yellow border?


It sounded more like an interior decorators convention rather than a meeting of Dundee City Council’s licensing committee, writes Brian Allison, local government reporter.

According to the police, purple and pink are among the colours deemed to be quite acceptable, but blue, red, green amber and white would be out of the question. The colours at issue related to lighting for one of the increasing number of stretch limousines to be seen on Dundee’s roads.
Operators of Sir Normal Limousines were asking for a variation of their taxi licence to allow them to fit ground lighting to the underside of a stretch limo.

A police officer said the lighting requested was not illegal, as it reflected light on to the road surface rather than shining it directly outwards. But, he said, the police would want a condition attached prohibiting the use of blue, red, green, amber and white.

That, apparently, is because the public associate those colours with things like traffic lights and the flashing lights on emergency vehicles.

Councillor John Corrigan, looking slightly bemused, asked “What colours can they use then; what’s left?” Purple and pink were put forward as acceptable colours, but it was pointed out there were myriad shades of different colours, which could be acceptable.

The possibility the lights might distract other drivers was not seen as a problem as the nature of the vehicles was such they were going to draw public attention anyway.

Having ascertained the reason for the lighting was purely for show, Lord Provost John Letford opposed the application. However, he was unable to find a seconder and his motion fell.

Councillor Neil Powrie, who said he had seen the kind of lighting requested on other vehicles and felt it was quite attractive, moved approval of the application and it was formally granted by the committee.

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I thought these under the car lights were illegal?

I'm sure boy racers have been done for them.

Maybe they were just the wrong colour :roll:

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TDO wrote:
I thought these under the car lights were illegal?

I'm sure boy racers have been done for them.

Maybe they were just the wrong colour :roll:


i was talking to a copper about this a while back, i said surely they are not allowed to have blue neons (like an emergency vehicle) and surely they are not allowed to have red ones at the front of the car (red like a brake light)

he said there where no laws against them :shock:


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TDO wrote:
I thought these under the car lights were illegal?

I'm sure boy racers have been done for them.

Maybe they were just the wrong colour :roll:


Boy racers/chavs around here tend to go for the blues, reds (exterior) or greens (interior) which of course is said here to be out of the question, but since when did any chav have a brain cell worth using?


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Road Vehicle Lighting regulations.


REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS AND DEVICES
Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors
11.—(1) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing a red light to the front, except-


(a) a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;


(b) a side marker lamp or a side retro reflector;


(c) retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii) a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination; or


(iii) an invalid carriage; or


(d) a traffic sign.

(2) No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-


(a) amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;


(b) white light from a reversing lamp;


(c) white light from a work lamp;


(d) light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;


(e) light from an illuminated rear registration plate;


(f) light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;


(g) in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a route indicator;


(h) blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;


(i) white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;


(j) green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;


(k) blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;


(l) amber light from a warning beacon fitted to-


(i) a road clearance vehicle;


(ii) a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;


(iii) a breakdown vehicle;


(iv) a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;


(v) a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;


(vi) a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;


(vii) a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;


(viii) a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;


(ix) a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;


(x) a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;


(xi) a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;


(xii) a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;


(m) green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council (whether with full, provisional or limited registration);


(n) yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at airports;


(o) light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a vehicle;


(p) reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;


(q) reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or


(iii) an invalid carriage;


(r) reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road clearance vehicle;


(s) reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;


(t) reflected light from yellow retro reflective material incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B of Schedule 19 and fitted to-


(i) a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;


(ii) a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;


(iii) a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;


(iv) a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen weight exceeding 1000 kg;


(v) a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;


(vi) a load carried by any vehicle; or


(u) reflected light from orange retro reflective material incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances (Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations 1981[16] or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in Packages etc) Regulations 1986[17]


Movement of lamps and reflectors
12.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or cause or permit to be used, on a road any vehicle to which, or to any load or equipment of which, there is fitted a lamp, reflector or marking which is capable of being moved by swivelling, deflecting or otherwise while the vehicle is in motion.

(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of-


(a) a headlamp which can be dipped only by the movement of the headlamp or its reflector;


(b) a headlamp which is capable of adjustment so as to compensate for the effect of the load carried by the vehicle;


(c) a lamp or reflector which can be deflected to the side by the movement of, although not necessarily through the same angle as, the front wheel or wheels of the vehicle when turned for the purpose of steering the vehicle;


(d) a headlamp or front fog lamp which can be wholly or partially retracted or concealed;


(e) a direction indicator fitted to a motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986;


(f) a work lamp;


(g) a warning beacon;


(h) an amber pedal retro reflector; or


(i) retro reflective material or a retro reflector of any colour which is fitted so as to reflect light primarily to one or both sides of the vehicle and is attached to or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i) a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to;


(ii) a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or


(iii) an invalid carriage.


Lamps to show a steady light
13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing light.

(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply in respect of-


(a) a direction indicator;


(b) a headlamp fitted to an emergency vehicle;


(c) a warning beacon or special warning lamp;


(d) a lamp or illuminated sign fitted to a vehicle used for police purposes;


(e) a green warning lamp used as an anti-lock brake indicator; or


(f) lamps forming part of a traffic sign.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:26 pm 
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So all these £2 an hour Security firms that have yellow bar lights fitted to their cars because they think they are the Police: Illegal.


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 Post subject: Red Indicators
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:30 pm 
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We have some unlicensed limousines up here that still have red indicator bulbs that must have been left in when they were imported from the states

This must be illegal too ?


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