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Yes - as I said above if I saw a taxi parked and turning people away I would assume it was a pre-booking, but who knows?

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Council decisions are subject to the legal process of appeal and we should not forget that council procedure is far removed from court procedure and that is why we have an appeal process.

If these licenses were suspended without watertight evidence that proved an offence had been committed, the decision to suspend will be reversed

Even if it was proven these drivers were plying for hire while standing in the street and had refused to carry passengers, the court may find that suspension was the wrong course of action and a warning might be more appropriate.

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What kind of Society is this becoming, are we sleepwalking ourselves into a prison without bars?

Why should these cctv cameras be used in this way, are taxi drivers the new bogeymen to be punished as the authorities see fit, we are only trying to make a living after all :roll:

Am I alone in finding this overbearing government involvement in the minutia of it's citizens lives oppressive, surely it's the skippy41's of this country that need to stop calling for more laws to be passed, I dont know about anyone else, but I cant help feeling that nearly every bit of legislation that is passed now will either cost you a lot of money,ruin your business, remove your civil rights (more of), or turn you into a criminal for doing what was regarded for eons to be normal behaviour, like having a cigarette, or the proposals to have a seperate checkout in the supermarket for alcohol, this will help to de-normalise the purchase of drink apparently, I find this disturbing when this sort of thing becomes the norm in a once free Country, what will they de-normalise next?


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I Say let them cherry pick,if people want to pay 60quid to get to speke or crosby from Liverpool let them.It's up to the passengers to tell the cherry pickers to sod off and just wait a little bit longer for a cab :)

It's an interesting view-point, and the likes of Delta must love cab drivers treating punters like this. :wink:

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I Say let them cherry pick,if people want to pay 60quid to get to speke or crosby from Liverpool let them.It's up to the passengers to tell the cherry pickers to sod off and just wait a little bit longer for a cab :)

It's an interesting view-point, and the likes of Delta must love cab drivers treating punters like this. :wink:
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Two drivers have already been suspended from working in Liverpool after they were caught "cherry-picking" on CCTV.

One of them was filmed waiting for 18 minutes at a peak time and turned away 13 people trying to hire his cab.


Can someone please explain to me why Liverpool Taxi reps recently went down to London to Lobby the DfT?

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Sussex wrote:
HOW MUCH? wrote:
I Say let them cherry pick,if people want to pay 60quid to get to speke or crosby from Liverpool let them.It's up to the passengers to tell the cherry pickers to sod off and just wait a little bit longer for a cab :)

It's an interesting view-point, and the likes of Delta must love cab drivers treating punters like this. :wink:


Perhaps Delta were also turning them away. Can anyone cope at 2 Am Fri, Sat?

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Cherry-picking does go on in Liverpool, there's no doubt about it. I do expect though, that the cabbies who are turning away fares are the same ones who are complaining about DELTA coming further and further into the city centre.

By allowing stories of cherry-picking etc to get into the media, these drivers are letting the trade down and can only expect the private hire companies to cash in on this.

Of course, not all drivers over-charge and cherry-pick their fares, but it is certainly more than a small minority.

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Cherry-picking does go on in Liverpool, there's no doubt about it. I do expect though, that the cabbies who are turning away fares are the same ones who are complaining about DELTA coming further and further into the city centre.

By allowing stories of cherry-picking etc to get into the media, these drivers are letting the trade down and can only expect the private hire companies to cash in on this.

Of course, not all drivers over-charge and cherry-pick their fares, but it is certainly more than a small minority.


I don't know many cab drivers who can afford to sit around for twenty minutes when its busy but if these guys were indeed cherry picking then the time element would have counted against any advantage they may have obtained in distance? I believe any enforcement of this type should be physical and by that I mean officers should get verbal confirmation that an offence has been committed and not rely solely on evidence gathered through a video camera. It's a dangerous precedent.

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The Honest Scotsman wrote:
What kind of Society is this becoming, are we sleepwalking ourselves into a prison without bars?

Why should these cctv cameras be used in this way, are taxi drivers the new bogeymen to be punished as the authorities see fit, we are only trying to make a living after all :roll:

Am I alone in finding this overbearing government involvement in the minutia of it's citizens lives oppressive, surely it's the skippy41's of this country that need to stop calling for more laws to be passed, I dont know about anyone else, but I cant help feeling that nearly every bit of legislation that is passed now will either cost you a lot of money,ruin your business, remove your civil rights (more of), or turn you into a criminal for doing what was regarded for eons to be normal behaviour, like having a cigarette, or the proposals to have a seperate checkout in the supermarket for alcohol, this will help to de-normalise the purchase of drink apparently, I find this disturbing when this sort of thing becomes the norm in a once free Country, what will they de-normalise next?


So are you saying that the authorities should do nothing? We live in an increasingly rule-breaking and cheating society, where mere attempts to enforce the rules usually means that the miscreants cry foul and claim that their human rights are being breached or suchlike.

Thus any attempts by the authorities at enforcement is welcome in my book, provided of course that they adhere to the necessary due process as outlined by JD.

As the so-called 'honest' Scotsman I'd have hoped you would have thought likewise. :lol:

However, I would agree that creeping control in the form of new rules and regulations isn't perhaps quite so welcome, if only because in an increasingly rule-breaking society it might be a better idea to enforce existing rules rather than imposing more. :-|

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JD wrote:
I don't know many cab drivers who can afford to sit around for twenty minutes when its busy....


Me? In my manor we sit around for twenty minutes when it's busy anyway :lol:

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Having delved a little further into this matter I was told that the video evidence was the only piece of evidence obtained and that the drivers in question admitted the offence at an interview with Licensing officers. They were subsequently brought before the committee on 22nd June where they pled mitigation.

There is a warning in this scenario especially for Liverpool drivers because this practice of trial by video camera will certainly be used again and again. So be warned, Liverpool!

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TDO wrote:
JD wrote:
I don't know many cab drivers who can afford to sit around for twenty minutes when its busy....


Me? In my manor we sit around for twenty minutes when it's busy anyway :lol:


I would hate to think how long you sit around when its not busy? lol

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You don't want to know :lol:

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JD wrote:
Having delved a little further into this matter I was told that the video evidence was the only piece of evidence obtained and that the drivers in question admitted the offence at an interview with Licensing officers. They were subsequently brought before the committee on 22nd June where they pled mitigation.



Well assuming that they were guilty then it would be interesting to know what criteria they adopted when 'selecting' their fares, because twenty minutes does seem a long time if it's so busy.

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