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In the end they may not have got a good fare? They may have got fed up of waiting and took any reasonable fare that came along? Its possible that a driver could sit around all night and not get a good fare? Personally I can't understand their logic?

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JD

I should imagine if a driver was finishing work he may wish to look for a fare that will take him home? Another scenario would be a driver looking for an ouit of area job where he could quote his own price? I'm sure other subscribers will be able to cite other examples.

I would just like to say that the hearing on the 22nd was conducted in close session so any details other than the ones I gave you are going to have to come from those people who were privy to the closed session, i.e the drivers.

Regards

JD

So thats two cabs spotted sat when its flat out, out of the hundreds thats working
how many times have you passed a cab when its flat out sitting and you think, wonder why he's sat there, maybe he's got a good one and the punters have gone in somewhere to pick up whatever, we have all had then, just give us a couple of minutes they say, then that turns into 20 mins

could the councils cctv see if the meter was still running, could the cctv see the 20 quid or the 10 quid note left on the dash by the punter as security

the instructions by the punter could have been, if I'm not out and back by so and so time, I don't need the cab

could the councils cctv hear what the people coming up to the cab said, can you direct me to the nearest cab rank, where can I get a cab, where is so and so , are you available etc etc the list goes on

did the council cctv hear that the driver in all but one case say , sorry mate I am hired.

will the Council be hiring Lip reading services and camera experts to get to the bottom of this
its a load of Bo**ocks

how about this one

its flat out and you get a call on the mobile phone from your daughter, Dad can you pick us up at so and so and take us home

the list is endless.

I agree the list is endless but it makes you wonder why the two drivers in question didn't think of a suitable excuse for sitting there?

Regards

JD

So who's rules are being increasingly broken then TDO, my point was about living in a Surveillance Society where your every move, every transaction, every communication can be monitored.

Of course the "miscreants" who say their humans rights have been breached may be right in their assertion, it would not suprise me, I dont think the The Human rights act is at fault, rather it's the interpretation of it and the subverting of it by the PC brigade for their own purposes.

Do you believe we should give up our Liberty for Freedom?

But this is a strange phenomenon this one, you only mirror the mindset of an increasingly large proportion of the populace, quite worrying really, the authorities should take action against everyone for the slightest misdemeanor and should rule us with a rod of iron, we deserve no more?

This is my World as well as the other 6 or so billion people in it, I entered it a free being and I hope to exit it as a free being, you can have your authoritarian tyranny, I choose not to except it without at least giving it some critical thought

It's finding a balance to all this, and I think we have lost it, or are losing it.

You reply telling her to catch a cab home and you will give her the money back.

That way you wont go near home and wont lose out on the work.

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Perhaps they were two honest scousers.

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Well Stu, for a start you've broken the rules of this forum several times by taking on different IDs and not telling anyone




Well if you think that enforcing the law is a 'strange phenomenom' and amounts to an authoritarian tyranny then perhaps your attitude is unsurprsing.

So perhaps you should tell us what laws the authorities should enforce and which they shouldn't, because then life would become a lot simpler if everyone knew where they stood on these matters.

Or if you have a problem with these rules and regs then perhaps you could campaign for their repeal instead of effectively advocating their breach and non-enforcement, thus making the law an ass?

But for a kick off you could perhaps outline which rules, laws etc you have in mind.

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Yes, their conduct could certainly have been explainable, but I suspect that as they seem to have admitted guilt then it's more a question of rationalising their errant behaviour rather than excusing it a la Pete.

Of course, there may have been a reason that these particular drivers were targetted (complaints from the public or other drivers, perhaps?), but we'll probably never know the full story.

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Well TDO I wont break any more of your rules

It was not about enforcing the law, it was about the methods employed to enforce it, I dare say you are looking forward to the introduction of the biometric ID cards and all the other measures that mean we may end up living in a prison without bars, still I suppose it's a price worth paying!!!

Lets be honest here who actually cares? for those of us with nothing to hide, for those of us who stay within the Law etc etc. nobody has anything to worry about, do they?

Minutes:22 06 06 Licensing panel meeting .

The Panel considered -







2) the explanations given by Taxicab Drivers who were captured on Closed Circuit Television standing in Victoria Street, Liverpool for a length of time.



Resolved that -





b) in respect of Taxicab Driver No.s CO.6185, CO.6186 and CO.6187, the Panel carefully considered what was said but was not satisfied with the explanations as to why the drivers sat for a prolonged period of time on a main thoroughfare in Liverpool City Centre and refused numerous approaches from members of the public seeking to hire their taxi.



The Panel's considered view is that, on a balance of probabilities, it is more likely than not what the drivers were in fact doing was "cherry-picking" - that is to say waiting with their "for hire" light off at a time and in a place when they knew members of the public desperate to get home would hopefully be prepared to offer them a sum of money much greater than the metered fare they could lawfully receive for such a journey.



The Panel has decided that these incidents give reasonable cause to suspend their licences for a period of 2 weeks.

The Panel fully understood that this would be a significant financial penalty to the drivers but are satisfied that it is a proportionate and appropriate penalty to act as an effective deterrent from engaging in cherry picking in the future. The Panel made it perfectly clear to the drivers that this Licensing Authority will not tolerate cherry-picking.



The Panel also took this opportunity to warn the drivers that if they are observed in circumstances suggesting cherry-picking in the future they are likely to face a much longer suspension and even revocation of their licence.



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It sounds from this Kangaroo court, the drivers never admitted Cherry picking . The panel just never believed their story .

I'm not that keen on ID cards actually, not because I disagree with them in principle but merely because it seems like a very expensive exercise using money that could be better spent elsewhere and I doubt if they'll be of great efficacy anyway.






So I take it you're being ironic here? Well perhaps your implication has a point, but in fact your statement read literally makes a lot of sense.

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Of course the other 'strange phenomenon' was demonstrated by the slightly tongue in cheek gibe I made about parking in disabled bays to make the point - you obviously took exception to my suggestion that you would park in a disabled bay, but on the other hand you think that action against everyone for the slightest misdemeanor amounts to rule with a rod of iron.

Thus there seems to be a slight contradiction here, or is it the case that while you wouldn't park in a disabled bay yourself, you don't mind when other do so, which seems a rather bizarre double standard, both from the point of view of your concern for the disabled and as regards bringing people to book.

Of course, perhaps the explanation for this apparent contradiction is that you regard parking in a disabled bay as more than a slight misdemeaoner, which in turn leads back to why I asked you to to outline which rules you think should be enforced and which shouldn't, because presumably if there are ostensible laws which in fact aren't enforced but no one knows which laws are and aren't enforced and everyone has their own view about which laws should and shouldn't be enforced, then presumably that's a recipe for conflict and confusion, as opposed to an orderly society?

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Well, yes, it does seem like that, and to that extent perhaps JD's and Pete's arguments now seem more cogent.

But the apparent reasoning offered by the panel - charging an exorbitant and illegal fare - wasn't really considered by anyone contributing to the thread, so I suppose this does help rationalise the drivers' behaviour, assuming, of course, that they're guilty

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