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Now if the NTA and every other representative body got their act together and wrote to the DfT about national quality driver standards then we might be able to stem the tide of the current crop of Eastern Europeans before the other half of eastern Europe invades our shores, next year? lol


Great Idea, and when weve finished with them perhaps we should concentrate our efforts on the Asians & Jews?

Lets build a few gas chambers while we're at it.

Jeez, its a political thing, if people can satisfy the criteria then they should be licensed.

I dont really see too many people complaining when a Polish plumber or electrician turns up on their doorstep, or the when the hotel receptionist is originally from Prague, or if the person serving them at McDonalds is from Warsaw.

If standards are to be in place they should be in place for the correct reasons, not because of an alleged invasion on our shores (and a legal invasion at that).

If I were to sit back and relax I should really be laughing my head off, because from where I'm sitting it seems that the hero of the PH trade is seemingly sh*fting you all.

Luckily, a local authority cannot double deregulate. :lol:

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Now if the NTA and every other representative body got their act together and wrote to the DfT about national quality driver standards then we might be able to stem the tide of the current crop of Eastern Europeans before the other half of eastern Europe invades our shores, next year? lol



Jeez, its a political thing, if people can satisfy the criteria then they should be licensed.


I was going to say interesting post but I think its mainly you being politically correct, however I'll reply in full tomorrow. It is an amusing point you make about licensing people who satisfy the criteria because it is you and your organisation that has lead the charge in stopping qualified people from obtaining hackney carriage licenses. It would appear your political correctness on equality only expands to those with deep pockets.

In restricted Authorities our Economic Eastern European migrants along with everyone else in this country as far as you and the NTA are concerned, can take a hike regardless of criteria when it comes to obtaining a proprietors license?

Is that your version of EQUALITY?

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I was going to say interesting post but I think its mainly you being politically correct, however I'll reply in full tomorrow. It is an amusing point you make about licensing people who satisfy the criteria because it is you and your organisation that has lead the charge in stopping qualified people from obtaining hackney carriage licenses. It would appear your political correctness on equality only expands to those with deep pockets.

In restricted Authorities our Economic Eastern European migrants along with everyone else in this country as far as you and the NTA are concerned, can take a hike regardless of criteria when it comes to obtaining a proprietors license?

Is that your version of EQUALITY?

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Your getting slightly twisted dude and you are sumising one hell of a lot.

How am I being politically correct?

I see it as lawful and humanitarian, your stance seems to be, 'I dont want anyone driving cabs here unless they're born 'n' bred here, sh*t we better get some 'quality control in place'

I now await the I've been citing quality control for years line.

As I said, as an outside observer the only people sh@fting the trade are the alleged heros cited on here. Aint most east europeans driving PH?

Which is kinda amusing. :wink:

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I was going to say interesting post but I think its mainly you being politically correct, however I'll reply in full tomorrow. It is an amusing point you make about licensing people who satisfy the criteria because it is you and your organisation that has lead the charge in stopping qualified people from obtaining hackney carriage licenses. It would appear your political correctness on equality only expands to those with deep pockets.

In restricted Authorities our Economic Eastern European migrants along with everyone else in this country as far as you and the NTA are concerned, can take a hike regardless of criteria when it comes to obtaining a proprietors license?

Is that your version of EQUALITY?

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Your getting slightly twisted dude and you are sumising one hell of a lot.

How am I being politically correct?

I see it as lawful and humanitarian, your stance seems to be, 'I dont want anyone driving cabs here unless they're born 'n' bred here, sh*t we better get some 'quality control in place'

I now await the I've been citing quality control for years line.

As I said, as an outside observer the only people sh@fting the trade are the alleged heros cited on here. Aint most east europeans driving PH?

Which is kinda amusing. :wink:

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Your getting slightly twisted dude and you are sumising one hell of a lot.


Am I supposed to respond by referring to you as Dudette? Would that be politically correct?


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How am I being politically correct?


How are you being politically correct? Now let me think?

Could it be because you quite cynically and dishonestly decided to play the race card by introducing Gas Chambers, Asians and Jews into this debate? Could it be that your motive was to try and gain politically correct sympathy by practically accusing me of being a closet racist? Perhaps it did gain you some sympathy but not for the reasons you might like to think?

Everyone knows, or they should know, that both you and the NTA are consistent in your approach to licensing, You have one Politically correct formula for issuing driver licences and another politically correct formula for issuing proprietor licenses. That is your tried and tested version of equality.

Perhaps we should start a new thread just for you, titled Captain Cabs politically correct initiatives? You could list all your pet initiatives starting with the dogs dinner of Driver and Proprietor licensing and finishing off with your political correct version "of what must not be done", rather than "what must be done".

I'm afraid your attempt at playing the race card isn't going to sway many readers of this website one little bit and I fully expect readers will see through your amateurish attempt to try and bring this debate around to one of race.

As far as I'm concerned in respect of Quality driver controls, "Everyone" will sit the same quality test. That goes for me, you and your members and it just might be the case that some of your members will fail and those Eastern European economic migrants we are discussing, will pass. Now that would be interesting wouldn't it? lol

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I see it as lawful and humanitarian, your stance seems to be, 'I dont want anyone driving cabs here unless they're born 'n' bred here, sh*t we better get some 'quality control in place'


You do talk a lot of nonsense at times, have we detected that your real handicap is the beer and not those sandy bunkers you regularly thrash around in?

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I now await the I've been citing quality control for years line.


Like everyone else you have the freedom to search this website to see exactly what I've been saying, I have no desire to lead you by the hand, no matter how many pairs of Panties you entice me with? I doubt it would be politically correct.

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As I said, as an outside observer the only people sh@fting the trade are the alleged heros cited on here.


I don't recall anyone on this site ever elevating themselves to the status of "Hero" but considering TDO leads the way in Taxi news and comment you can rest assured that you will be the first to know who is "shafting" Who, next? Lol

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Aint most east europeans driving PH?


The only thing I know about Eastern Europeans is that they are coming over here in their hundreds of thousand and the Government has said they are now going to put a "CAP" on it………. Forgive the "Pun".

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Which is kinda amusing.


I suppose to you, it would be amusing?

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damn Captain, when are the bigots rolling out the gas chambers, i guess i better flee now...


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You really need help JD. :lol:

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You really need help JD. :lol:

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Any other constructive comments are most welcome. lol

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Captain cab, writing about jews and gas chambers is very offensive.
As for complaining about polish plumbers/workers in Mc donalds, I get extremely frustrated/angry if I get served/deal with anybody who does not speak english.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANNOYING THAN TRYING TO BE UNDERSTOOD IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

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Captain cab, writing about jews and gas chambers is very offensive.
As for complaining about polish plumbers/workers in Mc donalds, I get extremely frustrated/angry if I get served/deal with anybody who does not speak english.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANNOYING THAN TRYING TO BE UNDERSTOOD IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.


A relation of mine recently asked a bus driver if it was alright to bring his dog on board, the Polish driver didn't understand his simple request. The lack of understanding of the English language would seem to be problematic in the public service sector where imported foreign drivers are concerned. Obviously driving a bus requires training but surely the ability to comunicate with passengers in their own language is equally as important?

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JD,100% right.
What if the bus crashed, how is the driver going to call the emergency services and give his location/amount of people injured.
What if the drivers child was sick, how does he tell the nurse in the hospital the symptoms?.
What if a criminal incident takes place on his bus, how does he give evidence in court?.
What if, what if, the list is endless, am I asking to much for an imigrant to speak english?, it would seem so, I am branded a racist if I say anything against anyone who is not white/christian/british, I am sick of it all.
If speaking the truth makes me a racist, so be it, i'm prepeard to accept it.

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How are you being politically correct? Now let me think?

Could it be because you quite cynically and dishonestly decided to play the race card by introducing Gas Chambers, Asians and Jews into this debate? Could it be that your motive was to try and gain politically correct sympathy by practically accusing me of being a closet racist? Perhaps it did gain you some sympathy but not for the reasons you might like to think?


I think you are well off track with your thought there JD and as normal you are twisting the argument.

It seems to me that the new urgency to get standards in place is to cynically prevent Eastern Europeans from obtaining licenses. If you require proof of that, I quote what you stated earlier;

Now if the NTA and every other representative body got their act together and wrote to the DfT about national quality driver standards then we might be able to stem the tide of the current crop of Eastern Europeans before the other half of eastern Europe invades our shores, next year? lol

I was actually pointing out that you cannot put a policy together purely to prevent people entering a profession. You seem to think a one-size fits all policy could be developed for the entire country, be it large City or Rural community.

You used the term ‘invades our shores’, you therefore consider the EC Freedom of movement an invasion, I put it to you that type of term is just as provocative as the one used by myself.

As the OFT has been mentioned at least on one previous thread about entering the profession, I should point out that the OFT did request that the DfT disseminate best practice guidelines towards quality and safety regulations, which have not yet been announced (5.59). The OFT also advised that locals should decide on the local requirements, but such quality and safety specifications should not beyond what is required to achieve this policy aim (5.57).

It also seems that one place in the country where standards are seemingly in place is Plymouth (as stated by Steveo in another thread), East Europeans are successfully being licensed there, they are satisfying the criteria as laid down by the local authority, a criteria that is apparently more difficult than other areas.


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Everyone knows, or they should know, that both you and the NTA are consistent in your approach to licensing, You have one Politically correct formula for issuing driver licences and another politically correct formula for issuing proprietor licenses. That is your tried and tested version of equality.


I don’t believe you know my policy on very much.

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I'm afraid your attempt at playing the race card isn't going to sway many readers of this website one little bit and I fully expect readers will see through your amateurish attempt to try and bring this debate around to one of race.


I answered this earlier, I see it the opposite way around, I think you’re the one playing the race card, which is consistent with your remarks in the past about Mr Khan of Manchester TODA.

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As far as I'm concerned in respect of Quality driver controls, "Everyone" will sit the same quality test. That goes for me, you and your members and it just might be the case that some of your members will fail and those Eastern European economic migrants we are discussing, will pass. Now that would be interesting wouldn't it? Lol


Why should I sit a ‘quality driver control test’? I have been a driver for many years with hardly any blemishes to my record. In terms of licensing I have been adjudged as ‘fit and proper’, this as you know is the only criteria any person should be judged upon.

If there is a doubt about my fitness and propriety, then sure I should take a test, but until that time then under current law I should surely be licensed.



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You do talk a lot of nonsense at times, have we detected that your real handicap is the beer and not those sandy bunkers you regularly thrash around in?


Now that is a strange accusation to imply, I play off 6.6 and don’t enter many bunkers, but when I do, I usually still make par.



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I don't recall anyone on this site ever elevating themselves to the status of "Hero" but considering TDO leads the way in Taxi news and comment you can rest assured that you will be the first to know who is "shafting" Who, next? Lol


I wasn’t actually referring to anyone on this site, but your response does imply a degree of egomania.



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The only thing I know about Eastern Europeans is that they are coming over here in their hundreds of thousand and the Government has said they are now going to put a "CAP" on it………. Forgive the "Pun".


In as far as I’m aware the government could have followed the lead of France and Germany who apparently had quotas put in place before the East European freedom of movement began.

It is again interesting that the bastion of a free market wants our own government to put quotas in place.


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Captain cab, writing about jews and gas chambers is very offensive.
As for complaining about polish plumbers/workers in Mc donalds, I get extremely frustrated/angry if I get served/deal with anybody who does not speak english.
THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANNOYING THAN TRYING TO BE UNDERSTOOD IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY.


Are you suggesting I don’t get annoyed either?

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A relation of mine recently asked a bus driver if it was alright to bring his dog on board, the Polish driver didn't understand his simple request. The lack of understanding of the English language would seem to be problematic in the public service sector where imported foreign drivers are concerned. Obviously driving a bus requires training but surely the ability to comunicate with passengers in their own language is equally as important?


I don’t actually disagree with you JD.

However in so far as I am aware the firm dunross/taxifast ensures all Eastern European drivers have the ability to speak English, and this firm apparently trains drivers to be fit and proper to taxifasts own high standards.

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Of course, if you reard the latest TaxiFast Bulletin (21st August 2006), you'll be a little more aware of the situation.

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I think you are well off track with your thought there JD and as normal you are twisting the argument.

It seems to me that the new urgency to get standards in place is to cynically prevent Eastern Europeans from obtaining licenses. If you require proof of that, I quote what you stated earlier;


Is it your suggestion that I have suddenly invented a Driver Quality control policy to make it harder for Eastern European economic migrants to enter the Taxi Trade?

Yes or no?

I would like to know if you think it is racist or politicaly incorrect to talk about economic migration?

Yes or no?

I would also like to know if you think this tiny island of ours should have an "open door" policy on economic migrants?

Yes or no?

I would like to know if you think this country should restrict migrants from working for seven years in line with other EU countries, bar two?

Yes or no?

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