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Another arguement for removing council powers

And because the authority told the truth.

The consistance of your argument needs to be examined JD.

Never mind though everything is unfair unless one Mr JD agrees.

I think this argument is more personal than actual concern.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

But the cost of a license has to be related to the cost of the licensing regime.

I personally view your argument in the same way as what GA has suggested, a personal one.



Why restricted areas???



Regional bodies? yeah like bus licensing has been a tremendous success

Great idea, if something goes wrong in Bowness on Solway, phone a bloke in Manchester.

Thats why you lot? wow, now theres the voice of reason

CC

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The P/H certainly wouldn't be paying for surveys or the implementation of Taxi ranks or the advertising of Fare increases.

If all the private hire moved from Sefton to an adjoining area your 63 grand would just about pay for one survey, one licensing officer one clerk and one vehicle tester.

The alternative would be to quadruple you license fees.

JD

My consistancy is obvious I have never agreed with councillors being in charge of Taxi licensing policy, its as simple as that.

JD

Well , you certainly won the plonker of the year award with this post, there is nothing stopping any private hire driver in Sefton going somewhere else now, put maybe the fact that the two biggest and best private hire companies are in Sefton has something to do with the fact that they are licensed in Sefton, oh what a plonker

Nothing personal about it. There are some restricted authorities that have a policy of making those who want a survey pay for it, Sefton is not one of those authorities.

Your forgetting, that restricting numbers is a council "policy" it has nothing whatsoever to do with running a licensing department. In Sefton it is the private hire who pay over 80% of the cost of sustaining that policy. In over 70% of the country there are no such costs.




Because restricted areas are the only ones that need survey funding.




There is nothing wrong with bus licensing as such, it is the enforcement side that is lacking.

If buses were forced to keep to timetables and stopped from plying for hire at bus stops by overstaying their alloted time, then the buses would be no more problem than they were before deregulation.



I see you have already designated the regional areas?

I don't exactly understand what you mean by something going wrong? Perhaps you can give me an example?

Obviously you prefer every local council to administer licensing, why is that?

Regards

JD

You could also say theres nothing wrong with taxi licensing apart from enforcement.

I can recall being told of a cab driver having his license suspended for a rape allegation going out and driving a bus the next day, that system of yours doesnt seem so good.



Yes there would be



Because if something goes t*ts up on a weekend, I can call and see a nice man about 1760 yards from my office and sort it face to face.



you are working under the impression that PH dont benefit from the survey system. Besides you stated that the two regimes (PH & HC) should be:- These figures demonstrate exactly why the two trades in restricted areas should be separated.

You clearly meant the general finances, which is a really great idea, lets have a plethora of licensing staff for differing licensing posts I cannot imagine dog breeders in any area being too chuffed about having to pay for their own licensing officer though



Thats true, but delimitation is a policy here and I'm non too happy about having to pay for enforcement of the 20 odd PH's

I dont see the difference between the transparent way Sefton do it that for instance the crap system in Manchester where PH pay and just arent told, indeed the Manchester system is worse, because they have surveys and regardless of the survey findings they issue licenses!

CC

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Exactly how many Hackney's do they have in Manchester
exactly how many private hire do they have
exactly how much do they pay
exactly how much do they receive in the driver's licence fees
and how much surplus profits do they make
and why doesn't JD do something about this
why does he allow them to use him as a cash cow

The fact that hasn't been answered is the truthful policies of Sefton.

Is JD privy to licensing accounts across the country, if he is not how can he possibly rely on the figures he has quoted as being comparable with other areas restricted or not.

The other fact that hasn't been answered is the fact that PH representatives were present at the meeting at which this fee was adopted, if the drivers are unhappy why have they not elected someone else who can, I'm sure, take their grievances up with the authority.

The public do not want regionalisation, as demonstrated by their voting in the North East regarding a Regional Assembly.

But lets be honest here, its about what you want JD, and not about whats best for everyone else.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

There are some restricted authorities that have a policy of making those who want a survey pay for it, Sefton is not one of those authorities.


Mr Bolton's Association were claiming that there was a unmet demand, it seems fair to me that he contributes towards a survey that will either prove him right or wrong,
I have a strange feeling that if the survey had stated there was a need to issue more licences he would have felt that his two pounds had been extremely well spent.

I think thats called hitting the nail on the head.

Hey Bolton ............... is this your rattle

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

You almost have a point there Mr T, but in the normal course of events the survey is required by law and primarily benefits HC plate holders, thus he who calls the tune should pay the piper.

Of course, it may well be to the benefit of some in the PH trade as well, and if they want to contribute then who's stopping them?

But I think that some LAs specifically levy HC plateholders (not badge holders) for surveys, and since they are the primary beneficiaries then that seems the most equitable way of doing things, but of course some on here aren't big on equity.

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It seems fairly obvious who's the one with the personal stake in the issue of Sefton licensing fees.

And of course a couple of pounds a week or so is no doubt worth defending

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But the council formed/adopted the policies TDO.

There is little place for common ground on this issue, sure JD would argue against such a policy if a "newbie" posted, however he has undertaken a crusade not based entirely on the facts of the issue but because its MrT's licensing authority.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

But who's arguing about whether the council adopted the policy?

The argument is whether it's equitable or not.

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