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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:54 pm 
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NO VEHICLE is allowed to wait or stop on a taxi rank other than to make that vehicle available for hire. Licensed Hackney Carriages are not even allowed, strictly speaking, to drop off on a taxi rank.


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HC drivers are allowed to urinate between the rear wheels of their vehicle away from public view, under the 1847 Act I believe.


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Petrol stations I'm sure used to be obligated to allow a licensed driver use of their toilets, but I think this was lifted when enterprising criminals were found to be nicking topsigns to make their cars appear like taxis/ph to gain access to the garages shop.


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PH drivers should return to their base where toilet facilities should be provided, remember a PH vehicle is only afforded legal dispensation whilst carrying passengers so a PH driver cannot use the 1847 Act as a defence.


I've never read such monumental rubish from the representative of a local Taxi trade in my life.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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JD wrote:
I've never read such monumental rubish from the representative of a local Taxi trade in my life.

It's alright for you JD, you have only had a year or two of him, me and the Bin have been reading his rubbish for 5 years or so. :sad:

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Sussex wrote:
JD wrote:
I've never read such monumental rubish from the representative of a local Taxi trade in my life.

It's alright for you JD, you have only had a year or two of him, me and the Bin have been reading his rubbish for 5 years or so. :sad:


Well the good point is that he can find all the relevant information on TDO, if he cares to look. On the other hand, if he really does believe that rubbish god knows what advice he's giving to his members in Gateshead?

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You really are a [edited by admin] JD.

anything anybody says is just WRONG

Perhaps you would care to furnish us with the clear legal definition of a taxi rank and its function. Its purpose is quite clear, it is an area designated by the local authority for licensed hackney carriages to wait for a hiring.

Parking on it, as in stopping within it and getting out of the vehicle, doesn't allow the vehicle to be available for hire, therefore its use is unlawful and the parking attendant had every right to issue a ticket.

Don't just say I'm wrong, tell me how I'm wrong if you can.

Other questions about the validity of my statements should also be quantified with a full eplaination.

As far as Mr Sussex is concerned I will say only this ---------- YOU GOT A PLATE YET .

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section 64 (1) Misc Prov act 1976 makes it an offence for any person to cause or permit any vehicle other than a hackney carriage to wait on any stand for hackney carriages.

I believe the only defence is in relation to PSV's and its something to do with the avoiding of an obstruction.

There are a couple of cases on this subject;

Rodgers vs. Taylor involving a HC unattended on a rank

Bradford vs. Obaid involving a PHV setting down on a rank

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section 64 (1) Misc Prov act 1976 makes it an offence for any person to cause or permit any vehicle other than a hackney carriage to wait on any stand for hackney carriages.

I believe the only defence is in relation to PSV's and its something to do with the avoiding of an obstruction.

There are a couple of cases on this subject;

Rodgers vs. Taylor involving a HC unattended on a rank

Bradford vs. Obaid involving a PHV setting down on a rank

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It makes you wonder why they go to the trouble of marking them out and putting them big signs up, :roll: :roll:


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Mind you the council can with the correct work order use a Hackney rank when it sees fit :wink:


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GA wrote:
You really are a [edited by admin] JD.

anything anybody says is just WRONG

Perhaps you would care to furnish us with the clear legal definition of a taxi rank and its function. Its purpose is quite clear, it is an area designated by the local authority for licensed hackney carriages to wait for a hiring.


I know you work hard and give a lot of your free time to the Taxi trade up there in Gateshead but there is an awfull lot you don't know about this game and if you make stupid comments like the ones in this thread then you will be treated accordingly. All the answers are right here on TDO if you care to educate yourself.

Don't expect me to lead you by the hand.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:11 am 
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I've been trying to find out the legalities of this for several weeks. Are you sure they can't send it through the post? Any direction to a legal standing would help.

but they need the evidence of a photo of the ticket on the car, should a driver appeal.


If a council parking attendent is still writing out the ticket, however, as long as it hasnt been placed on your vehicle or handed to you, you can drive away and the ticket will be invalid. Under the Road Traffic Act 1991, the ticket must either be handed to the person in charge of the vehicle or placed on it. So if the attandent sayes 'Its its too late, Ive started writing the ticket,' you can still drive away and will not be breaking any laws. But note just be careful not not to injure them, as they may be standing close to your vehicle (though they should be on the pavement and not the road).

The reason they take photos is to prove in court that a vehicle had been issued a ticket and was on the wind screen of the vehicle...else no photo of ticket on screen, basicaly NO evidence..... :)


Exactamundo matey basicly just as i said, but you have confirmed it thanks :wink:

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JD wrote:
GA wrote:
You really are a [edited by admin] JD.

anything anybody says is just WRONG

Perhaps you would care to furnish us with the clear legal definition of a taxi rank and its function. Its purpose is quite clear, it is an area designated by the local authority for licensed hackney carriages to wait for a hiring.


I know you work hard and give a lot of your free time to the Taxi trade up there in Gateshead but there is an awful lot you don't know about this game and if you make stupid comments like the ones in this thread then you will be treated accordingly. All the answers are right here on TDO if you care to educate yourself.

Don't expect me to lead you by the hand.

JD


I do not profess to know everything or indeed anything.

I have little time for people who set themselves up as experts just because they have a little knowledge, because as you are well aware a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

If I don't know something I ask, forums like this are great for voicing opinion but some people believe their opinions to be more valid than someone else's so the information normally posted is bias to the writers viewpoint and shouldn't always be quoted as fact.

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I would bet money that somewhere in the local regulations it states that you must not leave a taxi unattended on a rank, as much as I hate traffic wardens, I feel in this case the warden was right.

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I would bet money that somewhere in the local regulations it states that you must not leave a taxi unattended on a rank, as much as I hate traffic wardens, I feel in this case the warden was right.


your right rambo

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I would bet money that somewhere in the local regulations it states that you must not leave a taxi unattended on a rank, as much as I hate traffic wardens, I feel in this case the warden was right.

Usually rules are written with the proviso that in some cases they don't apply.

So I think breaking you neck for a p*** is one such proviso. :wink:

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I would have thought that an experieneced driver would know all the places he can stop for a pee.

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