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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:11 pm 
Mick Pollard wrote:
Change is indeed inevitible. The OFT ivestigation was to examine the effect of number restrictions on the end user. It was not intended to seek anything else. I think that a awful lot of people will feel let down by the OFT, and their constant delay in publishing their findings hints at the fact that they could well conclude simple changes will not be effective.

WELL WE ALL COULD HAVE TOLD THEM THAT.

I will back any call for unity, I consider the "trade" to consist of two parts of equal standing. Two parts that each offer a slightly different service to accomodate the public's door to door transport needs.

To expand on this issue, we recently called for a single badge policy as both P/H and H/C driving licenses are issued using exactly the same process. You see its impossible for vehicles to unify only the drivers can achieve this and its only on sites like this one and ours that this can be achieved, maybe on a small scale but there all the same.

This is why we chose to have rules and membership criteria, to protect the members from forum bullies.

B. Lucky :twisted:



Mick,
I dont know how you could write such a posting.
nowhere is there a bigger group of people looking to uphold protection rackets than your group and you.

however you cannot bring the trade toggether and oppose policies that do just that.

if you dont aggree with you you are out , and its immpossible to follow law
and aggree with you.

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:50 pm 
Wharfie wrote:
Mick,
I dont know how you could write such a posting.
nowhere is there a bigger group of people looking to uphold protection rackets than your group and you.

however you cannot bring the trade toggether and oppose policies that do just that.

if you dont aggree with you you are out , and its immpossible to follow law
and aggree with you.

Wharfie


Wrong again Wharfie sunshine wrong again.

READ what I write and try to understand. I personally oppose the free for all that delimitation brings as it has a massive effect on existing plate holders, I have experienced this first hand, no speculation for me on this issue mate I've watched the number of H/C triple in my area, yes thats right an increase of over 300% where else in the country can match that sort of increase within the last 4 years come on name me 2 more and if wherever you work from isn't on the list shut the f*** up and listen to first hand accounts of the damaging effects such increases make to the livelyhoods of men who have worked hard for years to get what they had, then lost it becuase some brain dead dickhead decides it might be a good idea if everyone got one for free.


You see managed growth means more cabs, but delimitation solves none of the problems in fact it adds to them.

The issue of premiums needs to be resolved first. I have posted many times my opinion on this matter so I won't repeat myself again.

Then you need to look at provision and facilities.

Then you need to look at demand.

Then you need to ensure that all of the things above remain constant before you add to them or the whole thing falls down around your heads.


Start to give a s*** about others or nowhere will achieve unity with Warfie as a member cause he just likes to stir the s***.

Hows Claudes lower intestine recently Wharfie, oh sorry, by now you must be even further up.

B. Lucky :twisted:

just in case your wondering everyones fine mate, thanks very much for your concern and best wishes.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:34 pm 
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Mick Pollard wrote:
The issue of premiums needs to be resolved first. I have posted many times my opinion on this matter so I won't repeat myself again.


The only way that the premium issue can be resolved, is by bailing the drivers out with public money, as may well happen in Ireland.

How then do you convince the public, either locally or nationally, that they should buy back something that was given away for free?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:02 pm 
I will tell you something!

THe load of c*** S*** of what you Wharfie come out with is untrue! it doesnt matter whether the trade in your country (England) was single tear or two tear, if no one agree with you then you be knackered! where is claude you mate to back you up, you are only interested in yourselves not what other taxi and minicab drivers have to put up with sorry as you say privat hire, i watch for many months from italy on taxiandprivatehire you only intereted in for what you get personally not intereted in any body else! you disgrace to trade and taxis drivers in generel... no good no good!

josephe

Frascati, Roma, Italia


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:48 am 
Mick Pollard wrote:
Wharfie wrote:
Mick,
I dont know how you could write such a posting.
nowhere is there a bigger group of people looking to uphold protection rackets than your group and you.

however you cannot bring the trade toggether and oppose policies that do just that.

if you dont aggree with you you are out , and its immpossible to follow law
and aggree with you.

Wharfie


Wrong again Wharfie sunshine wrong again.

READ what I write and try to understand. I personally oppose the free for all that delimitation brings as it has a massive effect on existing plate holders, I have experienced this first hand, no speculation for me on this issue mate I've watched the number of H/C triple in my area, yes thats right an increase of over 300% where else in the country can match that sort of increase within the last 4 years come on name me 2 more and if wherever you work from isn't on the list shut the f*** up and listen to first hand accounts of the damaging effects such increases make to the livelyhoods of men who have worked hard for years to get what they had, then lost it becuase some brain dead dickhead decides it might be a good idea if everyone got one for free.


You see managed growth means more cabs, but delimitation solves none of the problems in fact it adds to them.

The issue of premiums needs to be resolved first. I have posted many times my opinion on this matter so I won't repeat myself again.

Then you need to look at provision and facilities.

Then you need to look at demand.

Then you need to ensure that all of the things above remain constant before you add to them or the whole thing falls down around your heads.


Start to give a s*** about others or nowhere will achieve unity with Warfie as a member cause he just likes to stir the s***.

Hows Claudes lower intestine recently Wharfie, oh sorry, by now you must be even further up.

B. Lucky :twisted:

just in case your wondering everyones fine mate, thanks very much for your concern and best wishes.




MICK THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW MANAGED GROWTH

THATS WHY GATESHEAD AND MANY AUTHORITIES ARE IN THIS MESS

BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE WHAT IS NOT LAWFULL.

I have given the full explanation as to why!

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:50 am 
Sussex Man wrote:
Mick Pollard wrote:
The issue of premiums needs to be resolved first. I have posted many times my opinion on this matter so I won't repeat myself again.


The only way that the premium issue can be resolved, is by bailing the drivers out with public money, as may well happen in Ireland.

How then do you convince the public, either locally or nationally, that they should buy back something that was given away for free?



A local authority has no powers to buy back plates, if members were to do so they would be surcharged

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:55 am 
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I will tell you something!

THe load of c*** S*** of what you Wharfie come out with is untrue! it doesnt matter whether the trade in your country (England) was single tear or two tear, if no one agree with you then you be knackered! where is claude you mate to back you up, you are only interested in yourselves not what other taxi and minicab drivers have to put up with sorry as you say privat hire, i watch for many months from italy on taxiandprivatehire you only intereted in for what you get personally not intereted in any body else! you disgrace to trade and taxis drivers in generel... no good no good!

josephe

Frascati, Roma, Italia



I take it pal you know nothing about Britain? so I take it you know nothing about British law? but you should know about comperition law of europe?

do they have minicabs in italia?

you pal are out of your depth, not to worry you are not alone

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:39 am 
Mick Pollard wrote:
Wharfie wrote:
Mick,
I dont know how you could write such a posting.
nowhere is there a bigger group of people looking to uphold protection rackets than your group and you.

however you cannot bring the trade toggether and oppose policies that do just that.

if you dont aggree with you you are out , and its immpossible to follow law
and aggree with you.

Wharfie


Wrong again Wharfie sunshine wrong again.

READ what I write and try to understand. I personally oppose the free for all that delimitation brings as it has a massive effect on existing plate holders, I have experienced this first hand, no speculation for me on this issue mate I've watched the number of H/C triple in my area, yes thats right an increase of over 300% where else in the country can match that sort of increase within the last 4 years come on name me 2 more and if wherever you work from isn't on the list shut the f*** up and listen to first hand accounts of the damaging effects such increases make to the livelyhoods of men who have worked hard for years to get what they had, then lost it becuase some brain dead dickhead decides it might be a good idea if everyone got one for free.


You see managed growth means more cabs, but delimitation solves none of the problems in fact it adds to them.

The issue of premiums needs to be resolved first. I have posted many times my opinion on this matter so I won't repeat myself again.

Then you need to look at provision and facilities.

Then you need to look at demand.

Then you need to ensure that all of the things above remain constant before you add to them or the whole thing falls down around your heads.


Start to give a s*** about others or nowhere will achieve unity with Warfie as a member cause he just likes to stir the s***.

Hows Claudes lower intestine recently Wharfie, oh sorry, by now you must be even further up.

B. Lucky :twisted:

just in case your wondering everyones fine mate, thanks very much for your concern and best wishes.



Mick,

when youve calmed down and start to think, suppose you were the prime minister tommorow and you did away with plate transfers, what then about taxi drivers position under the human rights act?

what if they built up viable trade and had a load of vehicles wouldnt you be depriving them of property?

you always saying you go by experience, what is that experience? you accuse me of stiring it, no sir you are wrong I give you truth, how it is

you ignore principles that everything must hinge on you are a muck raker, and you dont tell the truth or reccognise it, in the past few days you have been called a liar, but I never call anybody a liar.

you will go to any lengths to bury your mistakes including destroying evidence like you did with those e-mails, you have said candidly and fairly that you cannot get members for Tand G in Gateshead, this is not Mick beccause taxi drivers dont want to contribute, its because they shudder the thought of you representing them, and yet you could be quite good indeed very good, but you have one failing, you cannot grasp that you have to abide by laws articles and principles.

principles of justice, of fair play,

this week you have gone right down in my estimation because you sold out, and then did not tell the truth and destroyed e-mails that you realised prooved you wrong, then you told untruths about me making up a character, and you knew that I didnt, with all the sophisticated software at your disposal where you can tell what areas computers came from you knew that allegation was untrue, but you repeated it.

the e-mail above shows you well and truly losing it, but I WONDER IS IT YOU THAT MAKES UP CHARACTERS ON HERE?

Like italiana,

you are supposed to be a leader in our trade, and you are an example as to why our trade is a mess, Gateshead Mick, and the state of the taxis is a result of very poor advocacy

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:15 am 
When did I say we were having problems getting drivers to join the T&G in Gateshead, I am stopped every day by drivers of both H/C and P/H for membership application forms. We have a branch meeting in two weeks time and I estimate that we will have over double the members the previous Association had. (maybe thats where you are getting confused). I must also point out that although not everyone wants to join the vast majority gives us their backing.

I don't need to justify any decision I make to you as you don't have to justify your decisions to me or anyone else for that matter.

You see Wharfy I do understand that laws and rules need to be followed, but these discussions are about changing those laws and rules to bring them up to date and therefore more workable within our current enviroment.
What is the point of discussion groups if current affairs and future possibilities are not discussed thrashed around a bit and viewed from as many different angles as possible.

Your problem centre's around applying your own experiences, working conditions and enviroment to different areas where circumstances are completely different, then personally attacking anyone who dares to suggest that your phylosophy's may not apply in their area as it may in yours.

I have only ever posted using my own name, on this site as well as every other, whether you believe me or not is completely up to you.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:28 am 
Mick Pollard wrote:
When did I say we were having problems getting drivers to join the T&G in Gateshead, I am stopped every day by drivers of both H/C and P/H for membership application forms. We have a branch meeting in two weeks time and I estimate that we will have over double the members the previous Association had. (maybe thats where you are getting confused). I must also point out that although not everyone wants to join the vast majority gives us their backing.

I don't need to justify any decision I make to you as you don't have to justify your decisions to me or anyone else for that matter.

You see Wharfy I do understand that laws and rules need to be followed, but these discussions are about changing those laws and rules to bring them up to date and therefore more workable within our current enviroment.
What is the point of discussion groups if current affairs and future possibilities are not discussed thrashed around a bit and viewed from as many different angles as possible.

Your problem centre's around applying your own experiences, working conditions and enviroment to different areas where circumstances are completely different, then personally attacking anyone who dares to suggest that your phylosophy's may not apply in their area as it may in yours.

I have only ever posted using my own name, on this site as well as every other, whether you believe me or not is completely up to you.

B. Lucky :twisted:



I am absolutly delighted to hear that the Tand G are on the move in Gateshead and delighted that I am wrong.this is the best news you have ever given me

I aggree that these site should discuss changing some laws, indeed weve been run by case law for 150 years, however there are somethings we cannot change, the human rights act, rules of natural justice and we would be foolish to change rules of fair play.

nowthen in all that Mick and the example I have given it would be absolute folly to stop transfers of plates!(though the premium would be on the genuine buisness and not scarsity value)

and lastly you posting under duel names, if you say so of course I believe you who wouldnt?

so why with all your software which prooved my innocence could you not believe me?

somethings seriously wrong isnt there?

Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:44 pm 
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Wharfie wrote:

nowthen in all that Mick and the example I have given it would be absolute folly to stop transfers of plates!(though the premium would be on the genuine buisness and not scarsity value)



In those circumstances it would just be administrative convenience to transfer plates Wharfy, the same transaction could be effected just by applying for new plates.

I think that's how it's done in my manor.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:10 pm 
Dusty Bin wrote:
Wharfie wrote:

nowthen in all that Mick and the example I have given it would be absolute folly to stop transfers of plates!(though the premium would be on the genuine buisness and not scarsity value)



In those circumstances it would just be administrative convenience to transfer plates Wharfy, the same transaction could be effected just by applying for new plates.

I think that's how it's done in my manor.

Dusty


of course you are assuming plates are open Mick is not!

and the passover must be seemless
Wharfie


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:56 pm 
Mick Pollard wrote:
Wharfie wrote:
Mick,
I dont know how you could write such a posting.
nowhere is there a bigger group of people looking to uphold protection rackets than your group and you.

however you cannot bring the trade toggether and oppose policies that do just that.

if you dont aggree with you you are out , and its immpossible to follow law
and aggree with you.

Wharfie


Hows Claudes lower intestine recently Wharfie, oh sorry, by now you must be even further up.

B. Lucky :twisted:

just in case your wondering everyones fine mate, thanks very much for your concern and best wishes.


What posts, either for or against have I made regarding all this?

Oh, I see you think you can enrage me. No chance little fella.

Struggle away little fella. All this swearing and carrying on flags up you are suffering and I am not going to disconcert you any.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:13 pm 
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I will tell you something!

THe load of c*** S*** of what you Wharfie come out with is untrue! it doesnt matter whether the trade in your country (England) was single tear or two tear, if no one agree with you then you be knackered! where is claude you mate to back you up, you are only interested in yourselves not what other taxi and minicab drivers have to put up with sorry as you say privat hire, i watch for many months from italy on taxiandprivatehire you only intereted in for what you get personally not intereted in any body else! you disgrace to trade and taxis drivers in generel... no good no good!

josephe

Frascati, Roma, Italia


Hey, hokey pokey penny a lumpa icea creama. Howa ya doink?

And what pray do you know about anything comming from a grubby little graft ridden back-hander of a place?

Ah but are you really from Italy or a p*** poor make out post? A p*** poor pathetic make out I reckon. Lower case i's and no capitals again I see.

BTW I went to Italy once even the bog attendents hide the bog rolls and will not cough one up unless some silver drops into the hand.

Claude :evil:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:36 pm 
The thing is the premium issue will not be resolved overnight but if we were to say that at midnight of the 31st December 2007 no plates maybe transfered between licence holders and if a holder no longer wishes to use the plate it must be returned to the Licensing department for re-alllocation. Also anyone who does not hold a Hackney Drivers Licence will have any plates revoked and only one plate per licencee will be issued.

Just a suggestion you understand, I'm not even sure its even the best way forward but a possiblity all the same. Anything would be an improvement to the current position which will only get worse.

B. Lucky :twisted:

(btw Claude, my post was not intended to provoke a response from you but meerly a observation of Wharfies obvious feelings towards you, to which you will be grteful of should he start stalking you)


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