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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:34 am 
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Who is we I thought I was talking to you, but you are now a we?

As for an illegal operator I NEVER been prosecuted this just means that you have never been court yet.

So if you know all the ones that are bad don’t be shy name & shame them.

Limo Driver


Your right never been to Court and never will, you just cant accept that and as for name and shame, i dont feel the need to afterall they mrun their businesses their way and i run mine my way, like i said before grow up, kind regards

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It appears to me that some on here don't understand that some people operate legitimate businesses and others don't.

Surely we should be looking to uncover those who are operating outside of the law instead of tarring with the same brush those who operate within it.

Just my opinion.

B. Lucky :D


Thanks Ga, common sense at last on this thread!!

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limousine driver wrote:
Who is we I thought I was talking to you, but you are now a we?

As for an illegal operator I NEVER been prosecuted this just means that you have never been court yet.

So if you know all the ones that are bad don’t be shy name & shame them.

Limo Driver


Mr Limo Driver, the simple question you need to ask is whether the business is registered as a business with all relevant authorities ............. any that are not are not operating legitimately.

When I said we I was indeed pointing out that everyone, including myself, should differentiate between those who follow legislation and those who do not and then together seek to uncover those who choose to run their services outside of the law.

Even if I was only making a comment on what me and you should be doing then that would constitute a we, but remember this is only my opinion and if you are harbouring a grudge against one side of the trade my advice to you would be to not tar all similar companies with the same brush.

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i will re posted this again as it has been over looked & not replyed to

But the ENCAP or NCAP do not include ANY LIMOUSINE in the tests but just standard cars & trucks

Also if you hire a 16 seater from Avis it would be all friends including the driver then it would self drive hire so that would make 15 passengers +1 driver?

So want you are saying is that the customers driver you £50,000 plus Hummers with 16 passengers plus one of there friends driving?

So is that not 17 seater?

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Dont be so daft limo driver think about what your posting and what your asking for a wee while :lol: :lol:

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Dont be a numpty all your life fella, i have not been cocky atall just merely answered truthfully a barage of questions from some really ignorant people that cant stand the fact that we are legal and always have been, if you like you can send VOSA to out premises whenever you like and i am more than happy to provide any paperwork they deem necessary, in fact this was done not so long ago on 1 of our regular checks so go fight some other useless cause, you have nothing on us and you know it or why else would i be trading in 3 businesses, get a grip fella and try winding someone else up now, kind regards
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What concerns me is you are trying to break new ground by side stepping the current hire & reward legislation.. you think you are legal but we all have an opinion on that.
BUT the reprocustions could effect us all in the long run through your greed we could all suffer.
so for all our sakes we shall all be watching.

The taxi PH industry is far from right , we all pay to get our badges & plates, and abide by what ever rules our councils put on us. There are 100s of unlicenced crooks about but that is down to the authorities to find and prossicute, not us.
But these big things seem to have the full backing of your limo association
even as the whole set up is suspect.
Is the tail wagging the dog in the ELA, & NLCA .
AS I stated before We will be watching
we do have an interest ITS our livelyhood as well a stake.


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Mr GA,

People new when there started to buy these SUV`s. They knew that there could not run them so as a normal 8 seat Limousines so most are registered as 10 plus seat mini buses it’s the back door way around that’s just within the law as normal

As for harboring a grudge against one side of the trade I don’t as drive a 13 passenger right drive UK COIF`ed SUV & 8 seat limos also have a taxi

So I feel you are way of the mark GA about me holding a grudge

But you are right about

The simple question you need to ask is whether the business is registered as a business with all relevant authorities ............. any that are not are not operating legitimately.

But 16 seater self hire what a load of bull how can you have 16 passengers plus 1 driver =17
So how can you justify calling it a self-drive hire?

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There are 100s of unlicenced crooks about but that is down to the authorities to find and prossicute


Exactly my point its not yours mine or anyone elses for that matter, and i repeat again VOSA are more than happy whenever they visit us and if not they would be the people to take action against us, END OF MATTER!!

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Limo Driver i say again you really are not thinking about what you write in your posts and i refer to your figure of 17 here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mr GA,

People new when there started to buy these SUV`s. They knew that there could not run them so as a normal 8 seat Limousines so most are registered as 10 plus seat mini buses it’s the back door way around that’s just within the law as normal

As for harboring a grudge against one side of the trade I don’t as drive a 13 passenger right drive UK COIF`ed SUV & 8 seat limos also have a taxi

So I feel you are way of the mark GA about me holding a grudge

But you are right about

The simple question you need to ask is whether the business is registered as a business with all relevant authorities ............. any that are not are not operating legitimately.

But 16 seater self hire what a load of bull how can you have 16 passengers plus 1 driver =17
So how can you justify calling it a self-drive hire?

Limo driver


A restricted license can be for anything up to 16 passengers and the driver is not categorised as a passenger. In my opinion people should concentrate on the hire or reward regulations surrounding these restricted licenses.

I know this thread concerns limos but even so they still have to operate within the laws governing restricted operator licenses.

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Mr GA,

People new when there started to buy these SUV`s. They knew that there could not run them so as a normal 8 seat Limousines so most are registered as 10 plus seat mini buses it’s the back door way around that’s just within the law as normal

As for harboring a grudge against one side of the trade I don’t as drive a 13 passenger right drive UK COIF`ed SUV & 8 seat limos also have a taxi

So I feel you are way of the mark GA about me holding a grudge

But you are right about

The simple question you need to ask is whether the business is registered as a business with all relevant authorities ............. any that are not are not operating legitimately.

But 16 seater self hire what a load of bull how can you have 16 passengers plus 1 driver =17
So how can you justify calling it a self-drive hire?

Limo driver


A restricted license can be for anything up to 16 passengers and the driver is not categorised as a passenger. In my opinion people should concentrate on the hire or reward regulations surrounding these restricted licenses.

I know this thread concerns limos but even so they still have to operate within the laws governing restricted operator licenses.

Regards

JD


Thank you JD but limo driver for some reason could not figure this out hence the laughing, and you have the voice of reason here, i salute your post!!! kind regards

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kermit

By the way you have gone quite & just repeating your self has ela told you off? :-$

you always have alot to say but most of it with has no Relevance's to any of the Questions asked in the first place. #-o

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Kermit you must have concerns though. You did not realise your customers are going to be held to book if there is a roadside fault found on your vechiles.or even worse a fatel accident .Becase as already stated by The Graduate they only become a opporater if a fare is charged . So with everyone chipping in to pay the hire ,which is the norm,( THE FARE ) then the hire is being paid by them.And lastly the driver being paid by them ..with out a doubt makes them the opporator. Please dont say this would not happen ...Its common sence, one person collects the money from the others then hires a limo then hires a driver =a opporator.
Lets do a maybe.. SHADDY LIMOS gets it limo booked by plod .tyres , brakes etc. there defence once the vechile leaves our yard it is out of our control, so the hirer must be responceable, just as avis do...
I am not for 1 minute saying you would do this ,with out knowing you ,you seem a upright bisiness. but shaddy limos would... you are trying to put in a system which when the bad lads get hold of it is so open to abuse its frightning.


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kermit

By the way you have gone quite & just repeating your self has ela told you off? :-$

you always have alot to say but most of it with has no Relevance's to any of the Questions asked in the first place. #-o

limo driver


Quiet, again you make me laugh, told off by the ELA get real im also a founder member so try again, just accept your a driver and not an operator for a reason, we are all good in our own fields why dont you just accept that, again divided we fall united we stand, as for repeating, well ask the same quetions over and over again you get the same answers over and over again, DUH now dont you have anything more important to do, at least im still making money whilst i post as im in 1 of my 3 legally run shops :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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16 seater self drive hire from Avis is 16 as some put earlier on in a post in my eyes. 16 is 16 not plus driver
so what is next 24 48 64 bendy limos untill some one dies your greed will always over take you

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