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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:32 pm 
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I hate to repeat it so often but look at the buses and to a lesser extent the railways.

I look at the buses and see a service tens times better than before 1985.

I look at the trains and see a service vastly improved since the end of BR.

Still I look forward to your stats and facts to prove me otherwise.



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Better bus service where? Ask in Manchester, Oxford or any major town or city, do you not read or listen to the news ?
Asks those involved in the rail accidents since the end of BR, there have been more accidents in the last 20 years than the previous 40. Try to buy a ticket or plan a jouurney accross the nework, try commuting, standing room only, delays cause by the slightest variation in the weather, trains cancelled because lack of trained staff. Your stupidity matches their in competance. Look at Beeching's predictions, made in the 1960's and how wrong they were, yet we still base our national public transport policy on that data. If you take a wrong turn and keep making wrong turns you may still end up at the destination but look at the time and cost. Far better to look at the map and correct your course accordingly.


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Better bus service where? Ask in Manchester, Oxford or any major town or city, do you not read or listen to the news ?
Asks those involved in the rail accidents since the end of BR, there have been more accidents in the last 20 years than the previous 40. Try to buy a ticket or plan a jouurney accross the nework, try commuting, standing room only, delays cause by the slightest variation in the weather, trains cancelled because lack of trained staff. Your stupidity matches their in competance.

Yes and if you ask the locals the buses where even worse before 1985, or they were sucking the punter and taxpayer dry.

As for the trains, many more folks are using trains than they did prior to the break up of BR. If anything it's been too successful.

As for Beeching era, never has so much been done that has f***ed so many. :sad:

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T. wrote:
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I hate to repeat it so often but look at the buses and to a lesser extent the railways.

I look at the buses and see a service tens times better than before 1985.

I look at the trains and see a service vastly improved since the end of BR.

Still I look forward to your stats and facts to prove me otherwise.



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Better bus service where? Ask in Manchester, Oxford or any major town or city, do you not read or listen to the news ?
Asks those involved in the rail accidents since the end of BR, there have been more accidents in the last 20 years than the previous 40. Try to buy a ticket or plan a jouurney accross the nework, try commuting, standing room only, delays cause by the slightest variation in the weather, trains cancelled because lack of trained staff. Your stupidity matches their in competance. Look at Beeching's predictions, made in the 1960's and how wrong they were, yet we still base our national public transport policy on that data. If you take a wrong turn and keep making wrong turns you may still end up at the destination but look at the time and cost. Far better to look at the map and correct your course accordingly.



So, your saying if PH are banned we'll get better weather. :lol:

Ban PH and we'll have less accidents (never mind the extra 2-3 million cars on the road, it's all PH's fault. :shock:

Sorry but even PH dont allow punters to stand so you cant blame that on them! ](*,)

Tell me, the only reason i can see for your hatred of PH is one of them's shaggin your missus while your doin all that unpaid milage!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Asks those involved in the rail accidents since the end of BR, there have been more accidents in the last 20 years than the previous 40.


Well you make some reasonable points about the railways, but to allude that they're somehow unsafe is to mislead.

Wasn't the recent fatality on the Virgin train the first in FIVE YEARS?

As compared to 3,000 deaths on the roads per year?

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A monopoly cannot be a cartel, Doh, subtitles needed for the hard of thinking!


Monopoly = exclusive market

Cartel = agreement to restrict market

Ergo, why can't a monopoly be a cartel?

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[I don't have a problem with PHV, my problem is with Delimit/Dereg and the damage that it is doing to the trade. Too many are hell bent on getting a free plate and in the process will make it worthless. I mean worthless in its working value, not any rarity value. There is not an infinite supply of customers for an infinite number of plates. Market forces do not produce the best result for user or driver. Look at the bus fiasco. If the free market was so good why were regulations and restrictions introduced in the first place. We must stop being a rabble and become a business.


I don't think anyone is arguing for a totally deregulated market, which is why we tend not to use the term deregulation. It's all about good regulation and bad regulation.

Thus it's a bit more nuanced than your simplistic use of the term "deregulation", not to mention your superficial comparisons with "deregulation" elsewhere.

I don't think you're stupid enough to make that mistake in error; it's just a deliberate attempt to confuse and scaremonger.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:21 am 
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A monopoly cannot be a cartel, Doh, subtitles needed for the hard of thinking!


Monopoly = exclusive market

Cartel = agreement to restrict market

Ergo, why can't a monopoly be a cartel?


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Oh please this is to banal. MONO = 1, single of type etc.
A CARTEL is a agreement between suppliers.
ergo, you can't HAVE AN AGREE WITH YOURSELF.
a MONOLPOLY has all the market, a single dominant supplier.
a CARTEL requies 2 or more members.
You really do make an ass of yourself.
As no copyright mark on your post can I use this one elsewhere ?


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Oh please this is to banal. MONO = 1, single of type etc.


Why was I almost certain that you'd reply in these terms?

Problem was that it should have been self-evident that I didn't mean "monopoly" in the way that you are defining it.

You are defining monopoly in the sense used in economic theory, and I stress the word theory, because in reality these economic models don't really exist, as per other economic models such as perfect competition.

Since I was referring to a local taxi market then it should have been self-evident that I wasn't referring to monopoly in the technical sense, and thus your reply is about as pointless as me pointing out that you should have written "too banal" rather than "to banal".

And that's why in the post to which you replied I defined the term monopoly to mean "exclusive market" which clearly doesn't necessarily equate to a single supplier - we all know that this doesn't exist in taxi markets, and indeed I used the term "collective monopoly" the other day which conveys what I mean more accurately but in any case you should have known what I meant.

Look up monopoly in any good dictionary and you'll see several definitions, and the first one listed in the Collins English dictionary is:

Exclusive control of the market supply of a product or service.

Note that this doesn't refer to a single supplier, but merely to exclusivity, thus it fits a restricted taxi markets to a tee.

Given the breadth of definition that you afford to the word "cartel" (the EU, for example) your extremely narrow definition of monopoly demonstrates that you're either out of your depth on these matters or that blaming others for not noticing that it was April 1 the other day was somewhat ironic, because your best excuse for this contradiction is that you're still in wind-up mode :lol:

But coming back to monopoly, people often refer to Tesco having a local monopoly as regards groceries or Microsoft having a monopoly on PC operating systems. Of course, using your narrow definition this isn't correct, but everyone knows what is meant and effectively use the term to mean that the supplier in question dominates the relevant market.




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A CARTEL is a agreement between suppliers.
ergo, you can't HAVE AN AGREE WITH YOURSELF.
a MONOLPOLY has all the market, a single dominant supplier.


Again there's rather loose use of terminology here - you say monopoly is merely a single supplier, but then you use the term "dominant", which I think is generally meant to refer to the Microsoft/Tesco scenario - ie a large market presence but not technically a monopoly.

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a CARTEL requies 2 or more members.


OK, even assuming that a monopoly is a single supplier (eg T. holds all the taxi licences in Poole) then you're wrong, because the cartel terminology clearly alludes to the agreement between the taxi license holder and the LA, thus even with a single supplier there's a cartel because the agreement is with the licensing authority rather than another supplier.

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You really do make an ass of yourself.


Don't you mean donkey :lol:

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As no copyright mark on your post can I use this one elsewhere ?


Well you should know that the presence of a copyright mark is irrelevant to the legality of using other people's work - it's just really a reminder and does not change the legal position, which applies regardless (a bit like a sign in a shop saying all shoplifters will be prosecuted - a shop doesn't need such a sign to prosecute).

But I have no objection to you quoting me, on the proviso that you quote my subsequent posts and therefore don't quote me out of context. :D

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As no copyright mark on your post can I use this one elsewhere ?


Well you should know that the presence of a copyright mark is irrelevant to the legality of using other people's work - it's just really a reminder and does not change the legal position, which applies regardless (a bit like a sign in a shop saying all shoplifters will be prosecuted - a shop doesn't need such a sign to prosecute).

But I have no objection to you quoting me, on the proviso that you quote my subsequent posts and therefore don't quote me out of context. :D


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The angrier you get the more pompous you get. Correcting spelling mistakes now ! I do apologise for any errors in spelling, grammer etc, product of the secondary modern system, did you have the benefit of Uni. Your replies reek of desparation now.


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