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Everyone who has anything to do with children has to have a CRB check.

Most PSV drivers don't.

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He was correctly quoted and you see nothing wrong with that? I just can't believe it. You must know the stories that come out of Brighton about unlicensed, ergo no crb checks, ergo no insurance ergo..., drivers. Or are you supporting the statement because you believe if it can happen in B&H it can happen anywhere?
No local authority can issue a licence without at least the basic crb check being done. None!

But the council issuing the contract has no record that the driver is CRB checked, so what's the problem with the issuing contractor having a copy?

Especially when the vehicles concerned never do any work in the council area they are licensed.

How can their licensing officer do any spot checks when he never sees them?

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Your council don't trust my council so my council won't trust yours. Right, let's have a CRB check done for every Authority in the country.

If I was to do contract school work for your area the least I would expect is for your council to ensure that I was CRB checked.

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Above you said he was quoted correctly.

Where did I say that? :?

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Again, thank you for your input, as you can see it definitely raises questions and certainly derives at least some responses.

Your more than welcome. :wink:

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The age of the vehicle has nothing to do with the safety of its operation or the charge. The mechanical safety checks determine roadworthiness.

But the rust does give it away, and older vehicles haven't the same safety features as newer cars.

But the point is that do we really want to taxi/PH service where the winner is the mush who buys the cheapest sheds, and maintains them the least? :?



I asolutely agree ................. can't remember airbags in my Mk5 Cortina.

The thing that is obvious is that ALL people who are given a duty of care to transport children and vunerable adults by a local authority or other organisation or group should ensure that all people in contact with either the children or vunerable adults should be required to have a CRB Enhanced check.

Its only fair.

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The fact is a press statement was made which was factually incorrect and cast aspersions on several people involved in the running and licensing of Taxicabs. We see statements of this nature time and time again so we shouldn't really be surprised when another one hits the fan.

What is comical about this statement is the fact that it came from two Brighton councilors who know nothing at all about the Taxi trade and by all accounts supported by a representative of the GMBU who has demonstrated on more than one occasion that his knowledge of the Taxi trade is limited to say the least, even though his heart might be in the right place? However, there is no excuse for maligning innocent parties and I'm afraid in my opinion this is exactly what this press release set out to do.

Should the person who wrote the press release resign or publish an apology? That is not for me to say but I think whoever this mythical person is, they need to take a long close look at their integrity?

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The fact is a press statement was made which was factually incorrect and cast aspersions on several people involved in the running and licensing of Taxicabs. We see statements of this nature time and time again so we shouldn't really be surprised when another one hits the fan.

What is comical about this statement is the fact that it came from two Brighton councilors who know nothing at all about the Taxi trade and by all accounts supported by a representative of the GMBU who has demonstrated on more than one occasion that his knowledge of the Taxi trade is limited to say the least, even though his heart might be in the right place? However, there is no excuse for maligning innocent parties and I'm afraid in my opinion this is exactly what this press release set out to do.

Should the person who wrote the press release resign or publish an apology? That is not for me to say but I think whoever this mythical person is, they need to take a long close look at their integrity?

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Looks like its all gone quiet on the GMB front.
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Should the person who wrote the press release resign or publish an apology? That is not for me to say but I think whoever this mythical person is, they need to take a long close look at their integrity?
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I'm saying 'they' are the local B&H GMB trade.

Would you rather they didn't try to make amends?


From page 10 of Press Cuttings Monthly, June 2007. (Taxi - Today Actually)

GMB Calls for tighter taxi standards for volnerable children.

Then word for word the web based GMB publicity shot is reproduced. Fact less, peurile and insulting as it is.

Integrity, there is none.
Amends? No-one can make amends by continuing the lies and protracting the publicity for them.
The GMB, the first misrepresentational Union. A discredit to any worker.
Should anyone ever consider joining this bunch you should first consider having all of your teeth pulled without anaesthetic and have at least one leg chewed off by a pack of wild sheep. In this way you might be able to numb your mind to the disgusting unscrupulous nature of this Generically Myopic Bunch and perhaps protect yourself from the insanity that exists within its ranks.

I can't give this bunch any worse publicity than they give themselves but I do hope that all drivers reading this forum never join them. And to those who are already in this Generically Myopic Bunch who have to drink themselves to sleep to overcome unduly burdened consciences, I say,

Join life, redeem yourself and leave the GMB!

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But the council issuing the contract has no record that the driver is CRB checked, so what's the problem with the issuing contractor having a copy?

All Drivers have to have the CRB check. Have to. What you suggest is that no contracting authority should trust another to apply this legislation.
That's quite outrageous really, just imagine another Soham because some authority had failed to apply the law. It's beyond belief.

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Especially when the vehicles concerned never do any work in the council area they are licensed.

But these vehicles that you refer to, do do work in the area, school runs. for which the vehicles submit to the mechanical safety test twice a year and the staff are subject to the enhanced CRB check as are all other drivers in that particular authority.

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How can their licensing officer do any spot checks when he never sees them?

I honestly don't know the answer to that one, perhaps, as the question suggests, your licensing officer can tell the others how?

At least one answer to your question "...what's the problem with the issuing contractor having a copy?" is this. To single out one portion of any workforce and impose additional rules is a very old employers tactic. It is also a tactic used by business against business to defame a competitor and commend their own virtues.
In a worker employer scenario this is an effective divide and rule policy and despite most of us being self employed what you suggest does just that.
However, had you suggested something like a national database of drivers with a "Completed CRB Date" data field for all drivers so that any authority could check at any time then I'm sure you would have more support than you would gain for your current suggestion. After all, to embrace all when your logic applys to all is not to be punitive to a few.
Something similar to this may already be done for teachers so it may not be a great step to apply this to all drivers who come into contact with children, or perhaps just all drivers.
Then, once this is done, should companies make umbrella bids or name the driver and escort? How, when necessary, should a substitute driver/escort be named and when? Before the run surely, but, offices don't open 'till nine.....

Well, at least that's where I'm at. Nothing that singles out any particular group but something that embraces all and provides a monitoring tool for local authorities.
There are provisos though, like this:
"Drivers from the cheaper tarrif areas shouldn't pay for it and if no driver will pay for it then the Generically Myopic Bunch should, it's their ball and they should play it to the end. Put their money where their collective mouths are."

As ever you are thought provoking.

To one and all, join life, to the others I say redeem yourself and leave the GMB!

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Above you said he was quoted correctly.

Where did I say that? :?


Mmmmmmmmmmm.... I can't find it. I was sure.. But I can't find.......
Have to, for the moment, accept I was wrong to write that so my apologies, :sad: at least until I find it!

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Everyone who has anything to do with children has to have a CRB check.

Most PSV drivers don't.


I miss the point of this one.
Are you suggesting someone could walk into a bus depot, steal a bus, collect a bunch of school kids and ????????.

This may read like something contentious but I don't quite get the connection between a taxi driver in a car with one kid and a bus driver with sixty plus kids, can't help it I'm quite naive.

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All Drivers have to have the CRB check.

But different councils intrepret the results differently.

Councils have a 'duty of care', it is for them to ensure they keep to it, not have to rely on others to do it.

If ever the s*** hit the fan, then a council would look very stupid in front of a court saying they gave work for vunerable people on the say so of someone else.

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But these vehicles that you refer to, do do work in the area, school runs.

They do work in the area they are contracted to work, but not in the area they are licensed. I know I asked them. :D

So the only chance the LO can catch up with the quality of vehicles is the times they are tested, and on those occasions they are ok. :roll:

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