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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:44 pm 
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All Drivers have to have the CRB check.

But different councils intrepret the results differently.

Councils have a 'duty of care', it is for them to ensure they keep to it, not have to rely on others to do it.

If ever the s*** hit the fan, then a council would look very stupid in front of a court saying they gave work for vunerable people on the say so of someone else.


It's not the say so of "Someone Else" it's the say so of an accountable body designated by law to conduct these checks. To say they aren't doing this rediculous.

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Above you said he was quoted correctly.

Where did I say that? :?


Mmmmmmmmmmm.... I can't find it. I was sure.. But I can't find.......
Have to, for the moment, accept I was wrong to write that so my apologies, :sad: at least until I find it!

Maybe the GMB will now do a press release saying Lewes driver accuses Sussex on website. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Are you suggesting someone could walk into a bus depot, steal a bus, collect a bunch of school kids and ????????.

This may read like something contentious but I don't quite get the connection between a taxi driver in a car with one kid and a bus driver with sixty plus kids, can't help it I'm quite naive.

There are many so-called PSV drivers driving the same vehicles as you and I.

And them there mushes aren't CRB checked. :sad:

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These minibus drivers..... are they hackney or PH vehicles or are they more than 8 passenger seats and therefore PSV's? Is the company that is coming under attack supplying hackney/PH vehicles under contract or PSV's?

If it is the supply of PSV's then how can they be attacked as part of the taxi trade? They are by definition not because they are running vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats for hire and reward.


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Maybe the GMB will now do a press release saying Lewes driver accuses Sussex on website. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Not quite, but they have opened a link to Taxi Today so that anyone can download and view the incredible lies on page 10 of the June 2007 Issue.

They obviously don't want it to stop but what gets me is that someone sits amongst them deciding this is good publicity. I hope this twisted logic isn't being paid for. It would be sad if it wasn't so outrageous and insulting.

These genuinely are a Generically Myopic Bunch.

You can download it for yourself to view the unaltered article from,
http://www.gmbprofessionaldriversbranch ... c.php?t=61.

To one and all, join life, to the others I say redeem yourself and leave the GMB!

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These minibus drivers..... are they hackney or PH vehicles or are they more than 8 passenger seats and therefore PSV's? Is the company that is coming under attack supplying hackney/PH vehicles under contract or PSV's?

If it is the supply of PSV's then how can they be attacked as part of the taxi trade? They are by definition not because they are running vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats for hire and reward.


Or am I incorrect?


I think that the problem lies in PSV operators using vehicles with less than 8 passenger seats and using drivers or vehicle escorts with no CRB check.

But there again I may also be as wrong as you .................. the whole thing seems quite cryptic.

B. Lucky :D

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GA wrote:

I think that the problem lies in PSV operators using vehicles with less than 8 passenger seats and using drivers or vehicle escorts with no CRB check.

B. Lucky :D


It has been put to me that you can use non - crb checked people as escorts if the driver is crb checked. Similarly you can use non - crb checked drivers if the escort is crb checked.

Please note that I have not confirmed this as fact with anyone in authority or relevant legislation.

Personally I don't like this. I believe both should be checked. You can't tell which one will be left alone with a child at any given time.
In the South East it seems to be a problem getting people to be escorts so perhaps it is down to who you can get to do it for the pittance paid.

However, I'm assured that all people in the trade in the areas involved are subject to an advanced CRB check, just as stated on the relevant authority's website. I don't have reason to doubt that.
Where someone has reason to doubt this it should be reported to the appropriate authority because childrens safety is paramount.

You may be GMB but I can discuss things with you when you are rational.

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Seventh Saint wrote:

You may be GMB but I can discuss things with you when you are rational.

Intended for all, join life, leave the GMB


Its easy to remain rational if you don't mind being antagonised.

The real discussion should surely be held in a facility where there is no deep routed hatred of either the GMB or members of the PDB.

Try discussing the issue at www.gmbprofessionaldriversbranch.co.uk where there is immediate access to the people concerned.

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Maybe the GMB will now do a press release saying Lewes driver accuses Sussex on website. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Not quite, but they have opened a link to Taxi Today so that anyone can download and view the incredible lies on page 10 of the June 2007 Issue.

They obviously don't want it to stop but what gets me is that someone sits amongst them deciding this is good publicity. I hope this twisted logic isn't being paid for. It would be sad if it wasn't so outrageous and insulting.

These genuinely are a Generically Myopic Bunch.

You can download it for yourself to view the unaltered article from,
http://www.gmbprofessionaldriversbranch ... c.php?t=61.
!


By co-incidence taxi - today have put the Lewes District drivers concerns on their forum, oddly followed by the GMB publicity document.

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GA wrote:
The real discussion should surely be held in a facility where there is no deep routed hatred of either the GMB or members of the PDB.

Try discussing the issue at www.gmbprofessionaldriversbranch.co.uk where there is immediate access to the people concerned.
Thanks.
B. Lucky :D


It's strange you should say that. I have actually been there to do just that. I'm sorry but I find the co-incidence so very odd. You're not stalking me are you?

Yes, I went there looking for the elusive Mr. Flanagan but, in the briefest of time you can imagine on any site, I couldn't find him.

The words "Scarlet" and "Pimpernel" and some expletives spring to mind alongside the notion that this chap is merely a nom de plume. A pen name plucked from the ephemera to be used to brow beat the ill informed and intimidate the inexperienced. You have to admit I'm so close, so very close.

I'm new to this but I already know that the nom de plume Mr. flanagan is an alleged chain around the neck of the Generically Myopic Bunch and that they will be ditching it soon in favour of a new nom de plume "For Gods Sake Don't Tell The Truth". Cool. This works for me. I'll join right now.
Howeh man, y'beat is tivit man!!!

These genuinely are a Generically Myopic Bunch.

Obviously, in searching for a named topic relating to this nom de plume I glossed over only some of the content there but I can assure you that I believe I saw enough to realise rhetoric, rather than facts, were the currency of the site.

There comes a day when you have to stop folowing and learn to live your own life, join it, join life and leave the Generically Myopic Bunch.

You never know, you might find out why you have a conscience!

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These minibus drivers..... are they hackney or PH vehicles or are they more than 8 passenger seats and therefore PSV's? Is the company that is coming under attack supplying hackney/PH vehicles under contract or PSV's?

If it is the supply of PSV's then how can they be attacked as part of the taxi trade? They are by definition not because they are running vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats for hire and reward.


Or am I incorrect?


The Brighton press release of Mr Flanagan was specifically aimed at the "Taxi Trade", Public service vehicle drivers were not mentioned.

PSV drivers are not required by law to have a crb check apart from those offences required by the DVLA.

I notice Mr Flanagan won't own up to writing this press release but at least we know he had a hand in its publication so in that respect he was aware of its content before the fact.

Any man worth his salt would have known the statement was innacurate and potentialy libel yet he and his fellow officers at the GMB allowed it to be published.

It would appear tact, discretion and complete ignorance of licensing laws is a commodity that is sadly lacking from those people seemingly at the helm of the GMB Taxi sector.

I know the GMB probably has several regional members who don't fit that profile and are more than proficient in what they do but perhaps it is they who should be running the GMB taxi division of the Union because it is obvious that those running it now are bringing it into disrepute.

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I think at least one prominemt member of this site is quite happy that the situation involving this issue is being controled in the way that it is being.

B. Lucky :D

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These minibus drivers..... are they hackney or PH vehicles or are they more than 8 passenger seats and therefore PSV's? Is the company that is coming under attack supplying hackney/PH vehicles under contract or PSV's?

The company concerned runs PH minibuses, which in my opinion are (in the main) a heap of s***. :shock:

But the bit that concerns me the most is the drivers are getting paid minimum wage, and as they only do contract work Lewes council has licensed them without the need for the drivers to do the knowledge that all other taxis and PH do.

So how is anyone going to compete, on a level playing field, against a firm paying peanuts running sheds? :?

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It has been put to me that you can use non - crb checked people as escorts if the driver is crb checked. Similarly you can use non - crb checked drivers if the escort is crb checked.

I would be very surprsied if the licensing of B&H council allowed that, but I can't speak for Lewes. :wink:

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Try discussing the issue at www.gmbprofessionaldriversbranch.co.uk where there is immediate access to the people concerned.

And the odd bit of porn if you're lucky. :shock:

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